Western States Endurance 100 Discussion 2016

just saying you might want to wrote:

Any Carmichael Training Systems (founded and run by Lance Armstrong's long time coach during his doping days)

Carmichael was a phony figurehead who had nothing to do with Armstrong in reality. He was a coach in name only to distract the public from Lance's real coach, Dr. Ferrari.

From Tyler Hamilton's The Secret Race: "In later years we often heard Lance tell the public that Chris Carmichael was his official coach—and Carmichael built quite a business on that relationship. I know they were friends. But the truth is, during the years I trained with Lance, I don’t recall Lance ever mentioning Chris’s name or citing a piece of advice Chris had given him. By contrast, Lance mentioned Ferrari constantly, almost annoyingly so"

People should be cheering for Sage. After all, he used to train with Rojo at Cornell. And we're sure he's natty since he posted his blood values (Which many others haven't even when invited to).

Walmsley is way above course record pace at the moment. I'm not sure if it's sustainable or not.

He was a 13:52 5K guy in college and has some impressive course records at the 50 mile and 100K distance, but history has shown that an early fast pace at Western States is not sustainable (see Max King's run last year).

This is completely opposite of what Carmichael swore to and insisted on for over a decade.

How about the 2 U.S. Jr. Cyclists who were coached by Carmichael directly as part of the U.S. Jr Cycling team who later sued him for injecting them with PED's to such an extent that it later caused them serious health problems.

The man is a cheat and liar and is largely regarded as such in the endurance sport community.

Koop is Director of Coaching for CTS and Kaci's coach, and has chosen to work for Carmichael for over a decade knowing full well of all of Carmichael's shadiness and drug repetition and lawsuits against him.

Anyone who freely chooses to do business with this coaching company has chosen to get in bed with a flea infested dog.

Walmsley 24 minutes ahead of course record

Canday 14 minutes ahead of course record

the two of them are pushing HARD. Let's see how sustainble it is.

Laney.... most of LR said Laney would beat all, he is 3rd right now , but maybe if Walmsley and Canday burn out its all his.

Almost hlafway of the race!

watch out for new guy chris mocko. he's moving up

RDP wrote:

Walmsley is way above course record pace at the moment. I'm not sure if it's sustainable or not.

He was a 13:52 5K guy in college and has some impressive course records at the 50 mile and 100K distance, but history has shown that an early fast pace at Western States is not sustainable (see Max King's run last year).

You have a good race going on and all you want to talk about is drugs (as aways)? Boring! If you were to bet, I think you probably don't even think Kaci is doping. Why don't you do a separate thread or bring up one of your old ones, and let the rest of us talk about Walmsley and Sage.

n00brun wrote:

Walmsley 24 minutes ahead of course record

Canday 14 minutes ahead of course record

the two of them are pushing HARD. Let's see how sustainble it is.

Laney.... most of LR said Laney would beat all, he is 3rd right now , but maybe if Walmsley and Canday burn out its all his.

Almost hlafway of the race!

baaaam Laney is in 6th now... and temps are even higher!

zzzz wrote:

You have a good race going on and all you want to talk about is drugs (as aways)? Boring! If you were to bet, I think you probably don't even think Kaci is doping. Why don't you do a separate thread or bring up one of your old ones, and let the rest of us talk about Walmsley and Sage.

This^

And it looks like Laney has slipped back a bit. Sitting in 6th now. Hopefully he's just conserving through the coming canyons.

Whoa yeah guys at half way two euros Lorb and Hermansen overtake Laney as does Andrew Miller. But, they're all bunched up 1 minute apart from each other. I call that a group. So, who knows how they'll pop out in 10-20 more miles through the rough terrain? Sage still 10 min back of the leader Walmsley.

I haven't followed the race super closely every year, but this seems like some strong bunching at the 50 mile mark. It will be interesting to see how they work with and/or against one another.

ultrafan wrote:

I haven't followed the race super closely every year, but this seems like some strong bunching at the 50 mile mark. It will be interesting to see how they work with and/or against one another.

they around 8:30 pace at around 50 ! I really want to see if Sage will get to one..

Are the updates lagging? Sage's last update was about 1.5 hours ago. Surely he's to the next checkpoint.

They're starting to get to some of the remote aid stations with no crew access. Perhaps that delays updates and tracking, too.

ultrafan wrote:

They're starting to get to some of the remote aid stations with no crew access. Perhaps that delays updates and tracking, too.

and no cell phone towers, and too far away to use radio phones

Looks like Walmsley is through Michigan Bluff (55 miles) and still getting faster. Now 28 minutes up on the record.

he is manking 7:55 pace wow

xfithonorarycaptain wrote:

Are the updates lagging? Sage's last update was about 1.5 hours ago. Surely he's to the next checkpoint.

Seems like at least some of these live updates are manually entered (a lot have ended with x:xx:00).

seems to be the best source for live updates as people come thru aid stations.

n00brun wrote:

he is manking 7:55 pace wow

I think they meant 7 hours, 55 minutes into the race. I think the avg is still around 8:30 pace or so.