TFN: Drew Hunter had Lyme disease at the end of the season - "I thought I could run 3:56 and be disappointed"

Doctorating wrote:

Where does he say that he had Lyme?

Throughout the entire article about him having Lyme.

Even without Lyme he wasn't going to run better than 3:55. He is a 5k runner, and he needs to work on his form. It's horrible.

Doctorating wrote:

This. "Lyme specialist" lololol.

It's not complicated to treat.

Oh you have Lyme disease? Here's 3 weeks of Doxy. The end.

Btw, when people say "Lymes" disease it's nearly 100% positively correlated with BS.

Caitlyn J. wrote:

Almost every patient I have ever met who claims they have Lyme disease and/or sees a "Lyme specialist" has something other than Lyme and their "specialist" is a quack.

Right, that's exactly the case.

Tick Boy wrote:

In the room next to me was a Hispanic landscape worker with rocky mountain spotted fever. He died that night. I was pretty fortunate--blessed really that I survived and was even able to bounce back and set some prs but there are times I wonder if I still have the disease. According to the medical literature lymes is MUCH worse than ehrlichiosis and even with aggressive and long term treatment the symptoms can reoccur so there is every possibility that Hunter will be fighting it for years to come.

He died that night because the hospital MURDERED HIM, not from any imaginary disease. You were lucky to survive, not because you were bit by a tick.

So I guess all the people treated with Doxy for 3 weeks who still feel terrible are just crazy, right? Maybe there is a middle ground somewhere between people like you and the "Lyme literate" docs you disparage.

Imaginary diseases wrote:

Tick Boy wrote:

In the room next to me was a Hispanic landscape worker with rocky mountain spotted fever. He died that night. I was pretty fortunate--blessed really that I survived and was even able to bounce back and set some prs but there are times I wonder if I still have the disease. According to the medical literature lymes is MUCH worse than ehrlichiosis and even with aggressive and long term treatment the symptoms can reoccur so there is every possibility that Hunter will be fighting it for years to come.

He died that night because the hospital MURDERED HIM, not from any imaginary disease. You were lucky to survive, not because you were bit by a tick.

Ehrlichiosis, Lyme disease, and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever are real diseases. Out of the 3, RMSF is absolutely the worst to have and can be lethal quickly. A 7 year old girl died of it a few years ago in my hospital when I was a resident.

Ehrlichiosis is fairly rare, and the cytopenias that result can have some pretty negative (but usually short term) effects.

Lyme disease in its classic/primary state is tick bite--> expanding targetoid patch/plaque >5cm. You treat for ~21 days with doxycycline and you're cured. If you don't catch it, a few weeks to months later you usually get disseminated Lyme which consists of multiple targetoid or just round patches and plaques. Treat with doxy as above.

Rarely, if both of these go unnoticed and untreated, tertiary Lyme can develop, which generally leads to joint pains and occasionally neurological issues.

Unfortunately, quite a few dishonest/quack physicians are fleecing many people who may or may not suffer from a real, identifiable disease (often it ends up being either a true rheumatologic disease like rheumatoid arthritis or something like depression/"fibromyalgia"). These "chronic Lyme specialists" are snake oil salesmen of the worst kind.

Lymesucks wrote:

So I guess all the people treated with Doxy for 3 weeks who still feel terrible are just crazy, right?

Sick from Doxy.

Positive Lyme test. Swollen knee. Fatigue. Muscle pain. Sleep problems. Don't be so condescending with your analogies...sometimes 3 weeks of Doxy isn't enough. Like I said, maybe there is a middle ground with doctors who treat Lyme, somewhere between the "3 weeks of Doxy" crowd and the "5 years of antibiotics, expensive supplements, and weekly doctors visits not covered by insurance" crowd.

THAT could certainly be true! It does a number on the stomach.

Tick Boy wrote:

In the room next to me was a Hispanic landscape worker with rocky mountain spotted fever. He died that night. I was pretty fortunate--blessed really that I survived and was even able to bounce back and set some prs but there are times I wonder if I still have the disease. According to the medical literature lymes is MUCH worse than ehrlichiosis and even with aggressive and long term treatment the symptoms can reoccur so there is every possibility that Hunter will be fighting it for years to come.

Imaginary diseases wrote:

He died that night because the hospital MURDERED HIM, not from any imaginary disease. You were lucky to survive, not because you were bit by a tick.

BisonHurdler, M.D. wrote:

A 7 year old girl died of it a few years ago in my hospital when I was a resident.

MANY people are murdered in hospitals all over the country, every day.

Oh you have Lyme disease? Here's 3 weeks of Doxy. The end.

That works if you start doxy within a week or so of the tick bite. Some people don't bother seeking medical treatment and keep on running, like I did. Now I have heart rhythm problems and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome as a result. Antibiotics can't fix that, nor did it clear the Lyme as I waited over a year before getting a Lyme test (tested positive twice from 2 different labs) so my body is riddled with it.

Caitlyn J. wrote:

Almost every patient I have ever met who claims they have Lyme disease and/or sees a "Lyme specialist" has something other than Lyme and their "specialist" is a quack.

It depends. There are clear positive tests for Lyme disease (positive PCR), but unfortunately no clear negative tests (absence of PCR reaction does not rule out Lyme).

The new buzzword trend among these quacks is to sell you in "co-infections" of babesiosis or anaplasmosis.

Let's hope that's not the case here, or he may need "therapy" for anaemia. That wouldn't look good for a future middle distance star.

Imaginary diseases wrote:

Tick Boy wrote:

In the room next to me was a Hispanic landscape worker with rocky mountain spotted fever. He died that night. I was pretty fortunate--blessed really that I survived and was even able to bounce back and set some prs but there are times I wonder if I still have the disease. According to the medical literature lymes is MUCH worse than ehrlichiosis and even with aggressive and long term treatment the symptoms can reoccur so there is every possibility that Hunter will be fighting it for years to come.

He died that night because the hospital MURDERED HIM, not from any imaginary disease. You were lucky to survive, not because you were bit by a tick.

Nope. From what I was able to find out later, he had just come back from Mexico and his GP mistook the symptoms for swine flu which was then prevalent. It wasn't until he was admitted to the ER that another Doctor noted the tell-tale rash but by then it was too late.

I too can be skeptical of modern medical philosophy and practice, plus I'm a health-nut (I don't even take aspirin); However, having lived through this ordeal (hospitalization, 104 degree temp, HIV-level white blood cell count, bizarre joint and head pain of a type I had never experienced before) I'm convinced that tick-born diseases are real.

Tick Boy wrote:

having lived through this ordeal (hospitalization, 104 degree temp, HIV-level white blood cell count, bizarre joint and head pain of a type I had never experienced before) I'm convinced that tick-born diseases are real.

Notice the first symptom you mentioned: hospitalization.

Swine flu is another imaginary disease.

Break out the tin-foil hats boys!

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It seems like going Pro and staying with Tinman would be a better move for Hunter going forward. The program at Oregon works for a lot of athletes, but it is a much higher intensity than what Hunter has been responding so well to the past few years. Are there any college programs out there that have a similar training philosophy to Tinman that would be a better fit for Hunter? The Oregon decision doesn't make the most sense to me.

I really don't get why hunter would be going pro now. He is a great/amazing high school runner but isn't at the pro level yet. I would run a season or two of college then go pro. If he is that good go for a ncaa championship then move on.

I'm not sure the summer racing means anything though. Tinman mentioned he doesn't take time off between seasons as he doesn't thrash himself with tons of hard workouts.

I would also bet that rather than lose hunter, U of O would gladly adjust workouts to better fit his needs. In fact an article about Maton said they adjusted his track workouts through the season and raced him more as that was what worked for him and he really came on at the end of the season.

EPO is my middle name wrote:

BisonHurdler, M.D. wrote:

The much more likely scenario is that they did not have Lyme disease to begin with.

If you have chest pain radiating to your jaw and left arm and I diagnose you with a sprained ankle, but despite the Motrin and ice. I recommend you die. Well, then maybe it wasn't your ankle after all.

Reading this fast had me all confused

Haha. Posting from my phone today so I may have botched the punctuation.