Dibaba dirty but Ayana clean?

Think About It wrote:

Dibaba: Decent but not great 5000 runner becomes amazing 1500 runner virtually overnight.

Ayana: Decent but not great steepler suddenly threatens 5000 WR every time she races, while trouncing a known doper.

Nothing to see here, move along....

Officials will bury it, that's for sure. If these were white athletes, it would be top of the hour material on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, with the SWJ's at LR even battier than usual.

Pennied Dreadfuls wrote:

Think About It wrote:

Dibaba: Decent but not great 5000 runner becomes amazing 1500 runner virtually overnight.

Ayana: Decent but not great steepler suddenly threatens 5000 WR every time she races, while trouncing a known doper.

Nothing to see here, move along....

Officials will bury it, that's for sure. If these were white athletes, it would be top of the hour material on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, with the SWJ's at LR even battier than usual.

So you mean white officials bury black convicted druggies and expose white convicts? That is very interesting!

not a chance that Ayana is clean. I said that it made sense that Dibaba could run 3:50s off of her sub 14:20s, but also said that the sub 14:20s raised a huge amount of suspicion. The 3:50 and could have been faster with faster pacing just made it obvious that this was totally ridiculous. Scrub the books now that there are enough people outside of the IAAF and WADA to force action on Russia, Ethiopia, and possibly Kenya. Right now, it looks like they will let Kenya slide. But Seppelt+Spanish authorities have just knocked out a pretty high proportion of likely distance medalists in this era:

obviously, lots of Russian medalists in the past and no doubt more unknowns would have risen this year + Souleiman, Kaki, Tirunesh and Genzebe Dibaba, and yes, Mo Farah is enmeshed in this and who knows what his fate will be, and maybe even Makh Daddy's if Jama Aden sings to authorities.

White athletes simply don't have the necessities to be great athletes,that is why they are and should always be under suspicion of doping and deservedly so.

She has the most efficient running form I've ever seen. As I understand, she's coached by her husband, right? Also bad blood with Genzebe Dibaba? She deserves the benefit of the doubt if she's not part of Jama's army.

111 wrote:

White athletes simply don't have the necessities to be great athletes,that is why they are and should always be under suspicion of doping and deservedly so.

3 of the top 10 fastest ever 800m runners are white

4 of the top 10 fastest ever 1500m runners are white

White people are very much capable of being great athletes. East Africans dominate at the moment primarily because poverty has given them a greater drive to succeed. Every top performance will be suspicious, skin colour is irrelevant. East African runners are equally as likely as likely to be dopers as white runners, perhaps even more so given white runners from developd countries are generally tested very regularly, but East African runners are barely tested at all

Pennied Dreadfuls wrote:

Think About It wrote:

Dibaba: Decent but not great 5000 runner becomes amazing 1500 runner virtually overnight.

Ayana: Decent but not great steepler suddenly threatens 5000 WR every time she races, while trouncing a known doper.

Nothing to see here, move along....

Officials will bury it, that's for sure. If these were white athletes, it would be top of the hour material on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, with the SWJ's at LR even battier than usual.

Did you feel a bit burned by the series finale? It felt kind of rushed and left a whole lot more loose ends and lack of character development than it should have in my opinion. A real shame that a show that good ended with such a sense of unfinished business.

Think About It wrote:

Dibaba: Decent but not great 5000 runner becomes amazing 1500 runner virtually overnight.

Ayana: Decent but not great steepler suddenly threatens 5000 WR every time she races, while trouncing a known doper.

Nothing to see here, move along....

Ok, I get the point of the thread, but your just spewing false stuff.

Dibaba... Decent 5k runner? Ran 15 min when she was only 18. Made Ethiopian world championship team in 2011. That's definitely better than decent.

Ayana... WJR record holder for some time. That's not "great"?

Also, Dibaba is not a "known doper" yet. Likely? Yeah. But, until the tests prove it, you are just speculating.

So 14:15 is not great? Just 'decent'?

About the Steeplechase, why don't you try to put Gebriwet or Gebremeskel in the 3km Steeple and see how that turns out? I don't see them threatening Kipruto at all.

Let's think of this logically. We Americans take more drugs than anyone, right? All the time we're taking drugs and, okay, we suck, but everyone else must be taking them too, and that's why they're all so good, even though we suck, because they're all doing what we do. Right? Well it makes sense to me.

Dibaba was 14:37 three years ago. Good but won't make any headlines in Ethiopia. Then she switches events and drops a massive 3:55i solo effort the following Winter.

Ayana was 9:22 in 2010, then was going backwards, until she "discovered" the 5000, then all of a sudden is scaring the WR every time out.

All of this reeks of going only so far naturally, then pulling the "pharmaceutical option". Bolt did the same thing, "discovering" his mysteriously hidden 100m ability in 2008.

Hellelujah wrote:

Dibaba was 14:37 three years ago. Good but won't make any headlines in Ethiopia. Then she switches events and drops a massive 3:55i solo effort the following Winter.

Ayana was 9:22 in 2010, then was going backwards, until she "discovered" the 5000, then all of a sudden is scaring the WR every time out.

All of this reeks of going only so far naturally, then pulling the "pharmaceutical option". Bolt did the same thing, "discovering" his mysteriously hidden 100m ability in 2008.

Agreed both are dirty, So far, circumstances (corruption, poor testing etc) have not allowed them to be outed.

Those who are poor don't have time to train. They have to work their asses off everyday, all day long. There is no time for running. I live in such a place.

I'm with the OP here. Both are doped to the gills.

Hellelujah wrote:

Ayana was 9:22 in 2010, then was going backwards, until she "discovered" the 5000, then all of a sudden is scaring the WR every time out.

9:22 for the steeplechase

You're not being logical at all in your implications. I'm going to ignore the part about Americans for now. Let's take other countries that produce medal winners in the distances on a regular basis now. Ethiopia conducts zero doping tests, lacking the facilities or the desire to spend money on them. Nine Ethiopian athletes tested positive for Meldonium--of course, we have not heard all their names yet or their sentences. Multiple Ethiopians are caught up in this Aden bust, including some of the biggest, Jeilan, coached by Aden and gold medalist in the 10k in 2011 over Mo, T. Dibaba, eight time World and Olympic gold medalist and world record holder as well, G. Dibaba, holds something like six world records, plus the Djibouti Souleiman, indoor 1k world record holder and outdoor 800m medalist in 2013, and the Somali Kaki, a 1:42.23/3:31 guy, not to mention the Qatari 500m indoor record holder and 800m 1:43 guy. The UK's Mo Farah, winner of seven gold medals and a silver since 2011, has trained with Aden for years. Kenya's entire federation was proven to be corrupt and extorting positive athletes to have tests washed away, while dozens of athletes have tested positive in recent years, athletes who are tested are given advance notice and very few blood tests were done in country. Morocco's athletes have tested positive at as high or higher a rate than any other country. Turkey's athletes are in the ballpark, especially with the former Ethiopian distance medalist, as well as Bulut and Cakir in the London 1500m. Russia has a state-sponsored doping program that implicates every one of its athletes, many of whom have won medals in the past 12 years. The IAAF chief and others high up in the organization like Papa Diack, son of Lamine Diack, head of the IAAF until World's last year, and Nick Davies, Coe's right hand man, have been shown to have solicited and taken bribes and suppressed doping allegations and positive tests. The track world is so rife with corruption and drug taking that the most reasonable belief is that none of the top Kenyan, Ethiopian, Moroccan, or Russian athletes, at the very least, can be assumed to be clean.

Not really criticizing your point but Haroun doesn't run the 800m and isn't a 1:43 guy. You're thinking of Balla most likely, they are 2 different guys.

But yeah no amount of scrubbing is cleaning the sport anytime soon.

cleaning up? wrote:

Agreed both are dirty, So far, circumstances (corruption, poor testing etc) have not allowed them to be outed.

Right. After all, we take drugs, so they must be dirty.

The logical American wrote:

cleaning up? wrote:

Agreed both are dirty, So far, circumstances (corruption, poor testing etc) have not allowed them to be outed.

Right. After all, we take drugs, so they must be dirty.

Are you saying American distance runners are taking drugs? If so, would you include Jenny Simpson and Emma Coburn in that accusation?