BREAKING: A great day for the sport. Russia remains banned for Rio

coach d wrote:

Why do you not understand?

Coe, who apparently got his IAAF head job by hiring a man wanted by interpol to pay bribes, is from the UK.

The head of WADA, who did not find the UK head of IAAF to be noncompliant with the WADA Code despite bribes being taken to cover up positive doping results, is from the UK.

Kenya is from the UK Commonwealth

Jamaica, which got caught not doing any testing is from the UK Commonwealth

Those people are not banned because they are "good guys" from the UK.

Russia is not from the UK, so they are banned.

Oh, please!

So the UK is now dictating world sport? Don't be ridiculous. They don't have that sort of clout. Maybe 150 years ago, but not now.

Since Coe has been in there has been a lot of work in getting Jamaica and Kenya to introduce tougher, more rigorous and out of competition testing. Yes, there is still much to do, but you can't make them as structured as European countries in such a short space of time.

The spate of positive tests and the retesting of samples from the last 2 Olympics show that they are now taking testing as seriously as it should be, everywhere.

I know it's still pretty early in the season, but I've already noticed a drop in the standard of a lot of athletes from these countries. The problem is, there will always be other individuals from other countries who are also trying to beat the system.

I think banning Russian athletes from Rio is a brave and correct decision. If they hadn't done so, Coe and the IAAF would have been severely criticised on these boards for being weak and not doing enough to tackle doping. Yet they have banned them and still they are criticised, and we have ridiculous claims that Coe and the U.K are somehow in cahoots to ensure Britain and the Commonwealth are protected. It doesn't matter what Coe and the IAAF do, they can't win in the eyes of some.

There is a big difference between what Russia has done and the criticisms aimed at Kenya and Jamaica.

There is overwhelming evidence that the Russian state knew about endemic doping, encouraged it, probably initiated it in many cases, and covered and corrupted tests and samples. It was systematic state sponsored doping. What's more, and this is the crux of the issue which has led to the ban staying in place, they have done virtually nothing to sort their house out since November. They have shown incredible arrogance, prevented independent testers get access to athletes, and basically stuck two fingers up to the IAAF and the rest of the world. There has been many more positive tests coming out of Russia and several other claims and incidents that now need investigation.

Kenya have actually shown to be taking OOS testing more seriously, passing legislation in their govt, to meet the demands of the IAAF. Don't get me wrong. They haven't done enough and have a long way to go. I'm sure the IAAF will continue to monitor their progress. Their problem is down to individual agents and coaches allowing doping to take place, and their athletic federation turning a blind eye and not testing their athletes. They are not the ones going out and encouraging their athletes to dope and then covering up any positive results discovered, as the Russians are doing. There is a big difference.

Having said this, if the Kenyans, Jamaicans or any other nation is found to be not doing enough with OOS testing or not meeting IAAF standards, then they too should be sanctioned and their athletes suspended from competition for a period of time.

This is hilarious. So the entire Russian track and field team is suspended from an Olympics, and the USATF, which has arguably had more scandals, suspensions and coverups, gets to compete?? Give me a break. I hope Gatlin and Gay win medals in Rio and somehow one or both of them end up beating Bolt. That will send a clear message that sport has indeed turned a page and now 'clean' athletes can win races!! LMFAO

Banning the competition is a crass action taken by losers.

Banning Russia is an extremely sad event in the world of sport. Ladies and gentlemen we've taken many steps back now an this will tarnish the Olympics. Well, its not really the Olympics anymore without Russia anyway.

In any case, funny when I see crap like this...Kenya, Turkey, US, other countries blah, blah are really trying to correct themselves and don't have nearly as many issues found with their athletic federations. Well, tell me this, how much effort and money by key countries has been made over the past couple of years to dig up or -make up- tons of crap vs Russia compared to other nations worldwide? If you put money behind it and made a massive concentrated effort, you will easily dig up just as much about any nation, including the righteous US. We would be much more shocked than what we were when finding about Lance Armstrong.

Other sports from Russia need to also be banned. This country is corrupt, systemically, from top to bottom. At every level. Just how things operate there, factually speaking. It works for their country but any international standards do not apply when properly enforced. They are two different systems entirely.

The IOC cannot override the IAAF decision. Or any federation that polices its own sport and then GIVES THE IOC IT'S MARCHING ORDERS. IOC takes bribes from countries for awarding the Olympics. They do little else.

Failing a drug test is failing an intelligence test. Failing to keep Olympic status is also an intelligence test failure, two levels up.

this is real discrimination, not some bs overblown shhit

Drago goes down again wrote:

Other sports from Russia need to also be banned. This country is corrupt, systemically, from top to bottom. At every level. Just how things operate there, factually speaking. It works for their country but any international standards do not apply when properly enforced. They are two different systems entirely.

The IOC cannot override the IAAF decision. Or any federation that polices its own sport and then GIVES THE IOC IT'S MARCHING ORDERS. IOC takes bribes from countries for awarding the Olympics. They do little else.

The whole of USA needs to be banned...from everything...every single thing is corrupt. From the road construction crews to athletics to school systems to financial systems to governing bodies. Everything!!

Remember he who laughs last...................

being set up and the trap has been placed ..........

goodbye iaaf and wada

to late now .wait for fun .

you know the ped of choice .that they refuse to test for .

this goes beyond track ,many sports .

but only iaaf/wada will be taken down to china town .

Typical noballs SWJ reaction. lol If it were cheating Africans or other exotics the clowns here would be outraged at blanket bans. Such is the brainswashing these days. So many people who believe themselves to be smart, yet they're incapable of self-examination, never mind being unable to ask "why" about so many things.

knows how to read wrote:

ThunderThighs wrote:

I find this very hypocritical. The US is just as dirty as Russia, if not more so.

But the US is in compliance with WADA and does not have a state-sponsored doping program. That's what this ban is about, not having a large number of individual cheats. The fact that high-profile US sprinters have gotten caught shows that the US has a functioning drug-testing system.

The US does NOT have a functioning drug testing system. It is easier to cheat those tests than it is to pass a driver's test. Drug use in US T&F is rampant and essentially systematic because that is the only way you get to compete.

ThunderThighs wrote:

knows how to read wrote:

But the US is in compliance with WADA and does not have a state-sponsored doping program. That's what this ban is about, not having a large number of individual cheats. The fact that high-profile US sprinters have gotten caught shows that the US has a functioning drug-testing system.

The US does NOT have a functioning drug testing system. It is easier to cheat those tests than it is to pass a driver's test. Drug use in US T&F is rampant and essentially systematic because that is the only way you get to compete.

No country in the world has a drug testing program that allows it catch all the cheats. That's because those tests don't exist yet. The difference between US and Russia is the US uses the testing technology available to try and catch cheats whereas Russia does not.

"The difference between US and Russia is the US uses the testing technology available to try and catch cheats whereas Russia does not." Fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/17/sports/olympics-anti-doping-official-says-us-covered-up.html

http://www.playthegame.org/news/news-articles/2003/q-a-with-dr-wade-exum/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exum-claims-large-scale-cover-up-of-doping-positives/

The IOC backs the ban of Russian T/F.

Looks like this is final, boys.

Unless some court somewhere has jurisdiction and acts to reverse the ban.

It's the right thing to do but man this hurts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/sports/olympics/ioc-russia-ban-rio-track-and-field.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

The test exist, they won't use them. The entire system is a joke. ALL the elite track athletes use from ALL countries.

Knot Durty wrote:

smile wrote:

Further, no, the US is not just as dirty as Russia.

LOL ... you are not an ostrich. take your head out of the sand. see the light.

USA sprint corps is FILTHY... Gatlin, Gay... why are they even allowed to line up?

Olympic Truth wrote:

The test exist, they won't use them. The entire system is a joke. ALL the elite track athletes use from ALL countries.

The tests work. The last retest done with samples had a huge number of the countless suspicious podiums come up positive from the athletes chosen.

The science works. The federations make sure the science does not work.

I'd like to point out it's only IAAF athletes banned. As if other ioc sports in Russia use some other system.

The only countries that have and have ever had institutionalized doping regimens are white countries,East Germany,Russia.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

The test exist, they won't use them. The entire system is a joke. ALL the elite track athletes use from ALL countries.

The tests work. The last retest done with samples had a huge number of the countless suspicious podiums come up positive from the athletes chosen.

The science works. The federations make sure the science does not work.

I'd like to point out it's only IAAF athletes banned. As if other ioc sports in Russia use some other system.

Thats the point. The test work on what dopers were doing 4 or 8 years ago not today. Testing is always a little behind the dopers. The current dopers may be taking things testers aren't even aware of right now.