BREAKING: A great day for the sport. Russia remains banned for Rio

I find this very hypocritical. The US is just as dirty as Russia, if not more so.

What's the big deal-The Russians will still have one of the largest Olympic contingents considering all the other sports.

ThunderThighs wrote:

I find this very hypocritical. The US is just as dirty as Russia, if not more so.

But the US is in compliance with WADA and does not have a state-sponsored doping program. That's what this ban is about, not having a large number of individual cheats. The fact that high-profile US sprinters have gotten caught shows that the US has a functioning drug-testing system.

The IOC can overturn this, according to the BBC. And Thomas Bach plans at the very least to bring back the supposed "clean Russian athletes," which I believe because of state-sponsored doping programs to be an oxymoron.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:Absolutely the correct decision. I have strong doubts about any top Russians being clean. With the state sponsored program there is no way a top Russian athlete was unaware of the doping in their country. Doing nothing with knowledge mass cheating was occurring makes you deserving of a ban as well.

It is only a correct decision if you also ban Kenya, Ethiopia, Turkey, and possibly the UK. These nations are just as bad if not worse when it comes to doping and nothing seems to be being done about them The UK in particular seems to be very protected from being punished when it comes to doping. For example Radcliffe would have been thrown under a bus if she was Russian but instead of being punished we were given some sort of inconsistent whitewash explanation for a series of highly unusual blood values.

If Russia only is banned then it is an appallingly bad decision which will do absolutely nothing to clean up the sport.

You are an idiot. Every country has dirty athletes, that's just the reality of the situation. Russia isn't being banned because they have dopers, its the state sponsored program and culture of cheating. Other countries may have out of compliant doping controls due to lack of funds or ignorance but we aren't aware of any of them who took the actions Russia did to fake tests, alter samples, etc.

To even throw the UK in there is pathetic. They take doping controls very seriously, although the circle the bandwagon routine on Paula was pathetic. Countries like the US and UK are actively trying to prevent their athletes from doping, how successful they are is another issue.

Yeah banning basically any nation other than Russia from international competition would unfairly punish numerous clean athletes. Not the case with Russia

ThunderThighs wrote:

I find this very hypocritical. The US is just as dirty as Russia, if not more so.

How is it hypocritical? The IAAF and WADA are not American organizations.

Further, no, the US is not just as dirty as Russia.

smile wrote:

Further, no, the US is not just as dirty as Russia.

LOL ... you are not an ostrich. take your head out of the sand. see the light.

This is not about banning countries with dirty athletes, its about punishing countries with *state sponsored* doping programs that refuse to clean up when they are told to. You simply cannot allow that to persist, if the laws governing the sport are to have any kind of meaning. As for the athletes, yeah, Russia pretty much screwed them over.

Only doping sponsored by companies, such as Nike, is acceptable.

In T and F at least, there are very, very few, if any, clean Russians.

knows how to read wrote:

But the US is in compliance with WADA and does not have a state-sponsored doping program.

Salazar agrees. There is no sponsored doping programs at USATF.

Meanwhile, USA Cycling just recently fired the head of their anti-doping committee because there was finally enough public awareness of the guy's long history of publicly supported doping. Both federations have a long and glorious history of never testing positive athletes. And swimming is squeaky clean. For sure.

So, yeah, no doping in the U.S.

Show and no tell wrote:

Nothing more than an attempt by the IAAF to draw attention away from where the donation money to experts went.

Russians will still compete at the Olympics. Individual justice!

Correct. And the PC wonks and SWJ puzzies still are quiet regarding third world athletes who avoid out of season testing every single year, also enjoying political protection during the season. Why is that? Wait, we all know.

And what about KDR (Kenyan Democratic Republic), EDR (Ethiopian Democratic Republic) and JDR (Jamaican Democratic Republic)? Will we see some Kenyan throwing 23 meters in shot put in Rio?

knows how to read wrote:

ThunderThighs wrote:

I find this very hypocritical. The US is just as dirty as Russia, if not more so.

But the US is in compliance with WADA and does not have a state-sponsored doping program. That's what this ban is about, not having a large number of individual cheats. The fact that high-profile US sprinters have gotten caught shows that the US has a functioning drug-testing system.

If that's the case, how come that some people are saying that Kenya and/or Jamaica and/or Ethiopia should be banned too?

Is this the end of WR's? I mean if Russia is down how long till USA and the others who are obiusly using PED's can't hide it anymore?

IOC has an out lets athletes compete under the Olympic Banner.

https://www.olympic.org/news/team-of-refugee-olympic-athletes-roa-created-by-the-ioc

The other guy! wrote:

YMMV wrote:

A promising move. The question is whether the IOC will override.

They will override it, for sure.

If you ban Russia, you also have to ban Kenya.

And Ethiopia and Jamaica.

It's such a mess. Those countries allowed for decades to skate by with zero out of competition testing.

...of course we'll have some numbnuts saying USA should be banned too because of Gatlin or whatever --- but it is clear that the USA never state-sponsored doping on the level the Ruskies did.

And think about it -- this is just when the Russians got caught...think what they did since 1989...and before.

F them, and F Putin, the sociopath with Asperger's (google it)...