Oh My God!!! 1:43.55!!!!!!!! for Brazier

popeye doyle wrote:

full race video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1DMgJp2QeA

Wow, he jogged the last 50 meters. No doubt he could've run 1:42 that race.

calm down lads wrote:

I'd still mark Ryun as the GOAT until after trials if brazier could prove himself when it matters.

Different eras, but Ryun did set WR's and does have an Oly Silver, all before his career that was ruined by a media that in 1968 had suddenly turned on many American sports stars during the (Bolshevik/Menshevik led) revolution of the 1960's. People in the know, the un-brainwashed, know the real story of the 1960's.

Brazier has a ways to go - but has demonstrated supreme talent. Johnny Gray's AR should go down in flames to this kid at some point. At the same time, he's young enough to possibly find himself having problems at the trials - if he runs (he likely will). Problems if the prelims are fast and he can't recover well. Hopefully he is strong enough to avoid this. Old dogs Nick and Duane will be ready - though I think it would be fun to see the kids knock them off.

He carries his shoulders too high. He needs to RELAX his shoulders and he'll run much faster.

Maybe Salazar can fix this form problem for him.

lower them shoulders wrote:

He carries his shoulders too high. He needs to RELAX his shoulders and he'll run much faster.

Maybe Salazar can fix this form problem for him.

YES! NOW we're talking. Glad to see that at least someone gets it.

(c'mon, everyone knows the expression: If it's broke, FIX it !(for crissakes). And this kid's shoulder carriage is b r o k e. )

jamin wrote:

Wow, he jogged the last 50 meters. No doubt he could've run 1:42 that race.

I thought he was tying up. Maybe he mailed it in the last 10m or so.

Why are you turning this into a political gripe? Ryun's career was tripped up by a number of issues, including intense media focus. To claim that the sports media of the '60's was communist is a bit silly. And throwing the Menshevik term in there to make it sound like you're smart (or even the Bolshevik term) is just stupid. In what way would you say American sports media were like the Mensheviks?

so what?? Joaquim cruz ran 1'43 as a 18 years old, in 1981

lower them shoulders wrote:

Maybe Salazar can fix this form problem for him.

Now there's a good joke

Keychain go jangalang wrote:

The way he held form was incredible. So smooth.

Yeah it was. BTW, I love your poster name. Drake is my fav

dossantos64 wrote:

so what?? Joaquim cruz ran 1'43 as a 18 years old, in 1981

Not quite. Cruz ran 1:44.3 in 81 as an 18 year old.

dossantos64 wrote:so what?? Joaquim cruz ran 1'43 as a 18 years old, in 1981

no

he "tied" Ryun's WJR with 1'44.3 on presumed synthetic

the "official" 1'44.3s are classic

1:44.3+ Peter Snell NZL 17.12.38 1 Christchurch 03.02.1962

1:44.3y Jim Ryun USA 29.04.47 1 Terre Haute 10.06.1966

1:44.3 David Wottle USA 07.08.50 1 Eugene 01.07.1972

1:44.3 Mike Boit KEN 06.01.49 1 Berlin 21.08.1974

1:44.3 Mike Boit KEN 06.01.49 1 Oslo 30.07.1975

1:44.3 Joaquim Cruz BRA 12.03.63 1 Rio de Janeiro 27.06.1981

problem was he had a short leg & his severe pelvic pain/imbalance finished him by '85...

Doubtful wrote:

Are there doping controls after NCAA finals?

Mmmmm ostensibly? I've heard it has historically been pretty hit and miss.

But assuming he was tested, the NCAA is not under USADA's umbrella and doesn't necessarily do all the same tests they do or even have all the same banned substances. My guess is that NCAA tests cover basic steroids, street drugs, and some stimulants. But more importantly, the NCAA does not share information with USADA, and they spend many months going through some process with positive tests. If an athlete failed a test at NCAAs, it would not keep them out of the Olympics, and we would most likely never hear about it at all.

Brazier has never been tested by USADA. They don't have any sort of biological passport baseline on him yet. And he just became a USATF member yesterday, even if USADA had wanted to test him earlier this year they couldn't have.

But I'm not trying to throw shade on Brazier, he is obviously an extremely talented athlete who had an incredible season and I have zero reason to believe he is anything less than squeaky clean.

I am trying to highlight some extreme flaws in anti-doping within the US. We like to look down our noses at Russia, Kenya, Jamaica, etc, but there are some pretty big holes and loopholes in our system.

The strap helps him not lose count of the laps. He moves it over one finger after each lap.

jewbearpig wrote:

Not to get too ahead of ourselves, but what did Rudisha run at this age?

1:45.8 I think. Rudisha did grow up in Kenya though.

Brazier's been consistent aside from the first race after his injury. Look back at last year's hs results as well as this year's results aside from the 1:51.

In the 800m, you have Brazier, Berian, and a fierce competition for third between Symmonds, Murphy, and Solomon, and then probably a ways back to Walker, Sowinski, Loxsom (the two latter haven't made that big breakthrough yet that you might expect), and maybe Isaiah Harris.

In the 1500m, you have Centro and Andrews probably locks, plus Manzano always comes up big at the champs. Murphy looks awfully good and would have a great shot at a spot here. Blankenship will be in the mix if he runs the 1500m. Other guys with good times include Merber and Leer. Wheating is always in the mix in the homestretch of US champs. If he's healthy, he can get a spot. My picks would be Brazier, Berian, Symmonds (Murphy if he runs it) in the 800m and Centro, Andrews, Manzano (Murphy if he runs it).

oh my god, another doper!!!!

Are you kidding? Look at how much he improved in such a short time. His improvement is not natural. He is totally dirty. Good kid, but someone has led him down the path in order to profit. And he made the choice in order to improve and win.

I will state that I am 100% convinced that all elite runner take and probably 95 % of world class runners use something on a regular basis. There is not 1 clean runner in the finals 800-100 and 95% of the semis. One clean might sneak in, someone has to come in last.

jamin wrote:

popeye doyle wrote:

full race video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1DMgJp2QeA

Wow, he jogged the last 50 meters. No doubt he could've run 1:42 that race.

It was a brilliant run for a legitimate 19 year old, but let's not get too excited or resort to too much hyperbole.

He was definitely not jogging the last 50m! He was flat out and tiring.

He had very good pacing & about 250m of drafting, and some part drafting.

His 200m splits were ~ 24.1, 26.4, 26.0, 27.0. So he was really tying up in the home straight, which is hardly surprising and nothing to be critical of when you're running a 1:43.5.

He ran about 2.5m wide on the last bend, but other than that, he was close to the rails throughout. Without that extra distance he could have run 1:43.2, but then you have to factor in the extra 50m drafting he got. Brings it to about 1:43.3 form at present. That 'should' improve over the course of the summer.

Talk of his 'jogging' and being capable of 1:42, is somewhat premature.

His form the other day surely suggested he is capable of running in the 1:42's (less than .6 of a second away) than Nick Symmonds ever appeared to be.

Yet Nick S did it.

I could see Brazier doing it this year