Oh My God!!! 1:43.55!!!!!!!! for Brazier

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

No, Symmonds isn't sweating. He has a contract with no reductions, so he doesn't have to perform on the track to make $$.

Which is exactly why a contract should have reductions.

Buudy bo breep wrote:

Which is exactly why a contract should have reductions.

Name a professional sport outside of Athletics where contract reductions are standard? NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB. Every one of those sports you can have your contract cut, but you can not have it reduced for poor performance.

M.C. Confusing wrote:

Buudy bo breep wrote:

Which is exactly why a contract should have reductions.

Name a professional sport outside of Athletics where contract reductions are standard? NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB. Every one of those sports you can have your contract cut, but you can not have it reduced for poor performance.

Newsflash the NFL can cut you outright if your performance sucks.

They cut Manning salary by 1/4 last year.

lolwut wrote:

Ok, all we need now is for someone to clear up what the mysterious hand strap thing he seems to wear is/does?

Black strap wrapped around fingers of right hand to help keep his running form/arm action CONSISTENT.

Psychologically same as a security blanket (or a binkie) to an infant.

Now u know.

Gurufhugfhvh wrote:

Newsflash the NFL can cut you outright if your performance sucks.

They cut Manning salary by 1/4 last year.

They can, but if the contract is guaranteed, they still have to pay you.

Manning contract reduction was agreed to BEFORE the season, for salary cap reasons, not poor performance. He had a good season the year before. I imagine also the Broncos agreed to make up the $4M to Manning after he retired and no longer counted against the cap.

Gurufhugfhvh wrote:

M.C. Confusing wrote:

Name a professional sport outside of Athletics where contract reductions are standard? NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB. Every one of those sports you can have your contract cut, but you can not have it reduced for poor performance.

Newsflash the NFL can cut you outright if your performance sucks.

They cut Manning salary by 1/4 last year.

Newsflash. Nike's reduction clauses can cut pay down to ZERO. In fact below zero.

Looks like a clever way to prevent clenching of the fist under fatigue, a common form problem

lolwut wrote:

Ok, all we need now is for someone to clear up what the mysterious hand strap thing he seems to wear is/does?

Not only do Nike deals have major reductions but they include a lil provision that if you don't race for 90 days in season and miss certain meets they will suspend your pay and extend your contract out a year so they get their value out of you as they pay you nothing until you race.

So don't ever get injured if you get a Nike deal or even get pregnant. Checks stop immediately and you get zip until you race again.

Awesome!!🔥🔥🔥

so nike is busy doping 10's of athletes and

can only think of one russian who benefited from igf-1 / meldoium before ban

Rato wrote:

'That is an OMG moment right there folks'. You yanks certainly know how to spoil a great race.

Agreed. And I like him even more after the post-race interview. Seems like a good guy.

Spaghetimonster wrote:

So who places better, him or Murphy?

Hahahahahaha 1:43 vs 3:36 ummmmmmm

Are there doping controls after NCAA finals?

If memory serves me from high school in that era, it was called "PermaTrack." It had a standard below - surface base, but the top felt like a mixture of asphalt and rubberized particles and it did look something like a road. It wasn't as bouncy as other synthetic surfaces and it also did get torn up faster and worse than other synthetic tracks. It wasn't uncommon for spikes to be banned on the surface.

Metric Miler wrote:

yes so original wrote:

No that's "asphalt concrete." The track he ran on was soft and torn up.

So just the plasticky rubber-like material? This sounds like an early attempt at an all weather track. Were these tracks rolled flat to bond the asphalt particles (remembering that asphalt is in fact a viscous and sticky liquid at room temperature, essentially tar), or was the material loosely sprinkled over the dirt?

My local track is that surface, and it is almost slower than dirt, depending on temps, etc.. The lanes wear down into furrows. Conventional spikes can't get good traction, but longer spikes are uncomfortable due to the hard, unresilient substrate. I avoid timing my sessions on this track due to the depressingly slow times. The only advantage over cinders is that it doesn't get muddy (though you end up with black material all over your feet and legs).

Looby wrote:

If memory serves me from high school in that era, it was called "PermaTrack." It had a standard below - surface base, but the top felt like a mixture of asphalt and rubberized particles and it did look something like a road. It wasn't as bouncy as other synthetic surfaces and it also did get torn up faster and worse than other synthetic tracks. It wasn't uncommon for spikes to be banned on the surface.

Metric Miler wrote:

So just the plasticky rubber-like material? This sounds like an early attempt at an all weather track. Were these tracks rolled flat to bond the asphalt particles (remembering that asphalt is in fact a viscous and sticky liquid at room temperature, essentially tar), or was the material loosely sprinkled over the dirt?

I'd still mark Ryun as the GOAT until after trials if brazier could prove himself when it matters.

Wait! Calm down lads! When I mean prove himself, I mean in a tactical loaded field for top 3, not a time trial with a pacer!

calm down lads wrote:

I'd still mark Ryun as the GOAT until after trials if brazier could prove himself when it matters.

Ryun did set a WR when he ran 1:44.9 (144.3c). It would impressive to see a junior set a WR. Don't think that will ever happen again.

U Asked For It wrote:

My local track is that surface, and it is almost slower than dirt, depending on temps, etc.. The lanes wear down into furrows. Conventional spikes can't get good traction, but longer spikes are uncomfortable due to the hard, unresilient substrate. I avoid timing my sessions on this track due to the depressingly slow times.

Analysis of grasstex: -

'The University of Wisconsin completed construction of such an asphalt running track a year and a half ago. It was the second of its type in the world

and the first in a northern climate. They have hald absolutely no frost problem and according to Thomas Bennett, assistant track coach, "it has proved satisfactory from every standpoint".

Differing radically in both appearance and structure is the new asphalt running track. It is made largely of two new surfacing materials-

Grasstex and SAF-PLA-both of which are layed on top of the previously mentioned bases.

Grasstex has a fibrous asphalt composition.....which makes

for a very resilient and durable surface layer. As Grasstex is primarily an asphalt composition, it requires the same basic procedures in its application as used in most asphalt work.

SAF-PLA is a pre-treated rubber crumb, mixed with asphalt. It consists of rubber pellets specially coated to prevent absorption of an asphalt binder, and therefore remains compacted and adherent to its base. This rubberized surfacing material is designed to eliminate injuries from falls.

The running track is built up over a compacted sub-base, depending upon climatical and soil conditions. Requirements for this sub-base can be determined from local state highway departments. The principle layers of the track that follow are:

1. a 6 inch asphalt penetration

macadam base

2. a 3/4 inch stone filled asphalt

sheet leveling surface

3. 1/4 inch GRASSTEX

4. 1/8 inch SAF-PLA

When completed, the hard surface asphalt track has the appearance of a smooth asphalt road. A first impression is that it is just as hard, but softness or spring can be felt by pressing down on the surface with the thumb. A definite "GIVE" can be felt.

When this new surfacing was introduced several years ago, it immediately placed the cinder track in secondary importance. This new track is so superior in every way to the old cinder type that no comparative disadvantages can be found. Its advantages are numerous. These advantages lie in competition, construction, and maintenance.

The most interesting advantages of this new track to the athletes who use it are its early use in the spring and CONSISTENT FAST CONDITION.'

Nehrbass, Roger G. (ed.) / The Wisconsin engineer

Volume 66, Number 7 (April 1962)

So it was considered faster than cinders. All this being slower than cinders and not proper synthetic is rubbish.