Totally nothing but "haters" recently over there. The worst! "Haters" who aren't in on a scam and don't profit are really awful. You can tell the people there who are the worst and who are "haters" because they ask legitimate questions and care about the sport and don't just accept ridiculous claims which damage the sport and don't just give money and attention and deference, it's the worst! It's the worst, those people who care about the sport and aren't in on a scam. Just so many "haters" recently as more and more long-running scams are exposed and because people who care about the sport now ask legitimate questions, and grifter games no longer work. Definitley the worst!
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I see we have another Robert Young "supporter" appearing. And by "supporter", I mean accomplice. How do you explain that Robert Young and company lied about being a professional cyclist for Team Milram? That stuff is stupidly easy to check out since all professional race results and team info are recorded on the web.
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Even according to their own blog...these guys are essentially living on Letsrun at the moment trying to do some serious damage control. Idle threats of slander lawsuit (ps...it is libel, dumba s s , not slander) are nothing that anyone would worry about. As a matter of fact, anyone on this board would welcome a lawsuit because, during the discovery phase of it, RY would be forced to turn over all his computers and smart phones to be investigated. The truth, RY, is the defense in a libel case.
Calling yourself an international triathlete but you were in an age group triathlon is stretching it a bit far. But posting a picture of a German cyclist and claiming it to be you is a lie and you have yet to address it.
I have next week off. I am not kidding when I say that, as you are going through my home state of Ohio, I am going to follow you guys and track every step. I think you are 100% full of it and I intend to prove it next week. -
Hertfordshire Insider wrote:
This is just Rob's way to make a living.
He was doing the same thing back in 2004.
http://archive.is/z26ng
"Robert is currently a member of the Great Britain triathlon and biathlon teams and later this year he will be competing in eight international events and three national competitions.
In May, Robert hopes to retain his title at the World Long Course Championships. He is also looking forward to completing more fund-raising events in the future."
Was he a member of those teams?
Did he do those 11 events? Are there records of it?
Any evidence of the World Long Course Championship? Champion of his age-group maybe?
We like to jump to the conclusion that everything the person has ever said is a lie, but is there some truth to this?
We do know that he completed more fund-raising events after that, so the last sentence is clearly true.
We're sure this is the same Robert Young, right? (common name) -
Plaid pants wrote:
coolguy33 wrote:
it's taken me a day and a half to catch up.
I LOVE this place. Thank you all for doing this.
I got to page 31 and didn't think I could go any further, but then I asked for six double espressos with 15 sugars, and suddenly I was back reading at a 6 posts per minute pace.
Made my day. Laughed so hard. Maybe I shoudl try that. I stayed up to 3 am covering NCAAs and now am so tired I can't catch up on this thread.
Can someone tell me who posted the video from Mr. Gs?? Was that the OP?
If you are the OP or the Mr. G video guy, please email me [email protected] -
BoneHawk wrote:
I have gotten the phone number for Mr. Youngs Crew!
9082406253 feel free to call them with any questions
Really?
Some information about his time in the army:
Later Young joined the army, in the Royal Corps of Signals, although he says that rather than seeing active service he became a "tracksuit soldier". He competed in triathlons, duathlons and biathlons - "if it was an 'athlon, I was good at it" - and made various Great Britain junior squads. There was a brief dalliance with the Milram professional cycling team. "Even in professional sport, I'd back myself mentally against anyone," Young says. "When everyone was suffering, that's when I loved it. That's when I could push on. As a kid, I would rather die than not finish." -
tHIS IS ROBERT YOUNG
This is his personality, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVRym-scL-g
His personality is to start believing in his lies. -
Take those bananas wrote:
Heavyd84 wrote:
Guys he is only a few miles from Ferguson...this could get interesting.
The "knife wielding madman story" would be plausible here.
What is so strange about wondering what the %#$^ is up with some car that starts following you around at 2 AM in the middle of nowhere? The grossest thing about all of this is the driveby post by rojo: "Go off and ruin this guy's entire life in one day guys!! AWESOME!! Don't worry, we'll look into the facts and bother to actually contact him later. In the meantime, trashing someone without a thought is what we live for at LRC, as long as my name gets mentioned on outside online."
Race cheaters suck, but this 'attack first think later' BS sucks a lot more. -
When did he win a bronze medal in a world age group triathlon championship?
Which 10k did he run his sub 31:00 pr?
Which half did he run his 1:08?
His 2:41 marathon? -
One Q. Put to Bed wrote:
It wasn't ever confirmed. Half this thread is now complete nonsense.
Claim: OMG RY took the PBs Down!
Reality: They are still on his website
Claim: His team changed all his wiki data
Reality: Someone in the world changed his wiki - there is no evidence it was RY or his team
Claim: OMG He must have been in the van
Reality: The video shows he wasn't in the video - thats it.
Claim: He lied about being a GB triathlete
Reality: Evidence exists to show he represented GB in a European Long Course Age Group Triathlon Competition
Claim: He's stealing the money
Reality: He's sponsored by several high profile companies who fund the adventures; money is raised via legitimate websites for charities.
Now there are things that haven't been cleared up yet; 15:56 5k, the full data set. But if Rob submits the evidence post run to the relevant body and they approve it you'll have an issue where several posters have written slanderous comments all over the board and I fully expect the likes of Lucozade a $1.3bn company to take legal action should posters be deemed to be doing their brands damage. Equally Rob will be under contract. I expect should he not meet contractual demands equal recompense be taken by his sponsors.
In the UK there has never been any hint of financial misappropriation of funds or cheating before in any of his runs as far as I can tell. I neither claim he is clean or dirty, but having watched this thread from the start ask legitimate questions it has dissolved into creepy, stalkerish rumourmongering, witch-hunts and fantasy crossing into slander. You would think bro'jo's would be sensible enough to not encourage such action in a case where, because of the nature of ultra running definitive proof is always tough (unlike say, chip timed marathons).
I understand the Law too!!!!! Upload the watch data now and everything is Kosher!!! -
rojo wrote:
Plaid pants wrote:
coolguy33 wrote:
it's taken me a day and a half to catch up.
I LOVE this place. Thank you all for doing this.
I got to page 31 and didn't think I could go any further, but then I asked for six double espressos with 15 sugars, and suddenly I was back reading at a 6 posts per minute pace.
Made my day. Laughed so hard. Maybe I shoudl try that. I stayed up to 3 am covering NCAAs and now am so tired I can't catch up on this thread.
Can someone tell me who posted the video from Mr. Gs?? Was that the OP?
If you are the OP or the Mr. G video guy, please email me [email protected]
OH YEAH - well I had 10 Espressos and pure Red Bull into them and drank a bottle of wine just to get caught up in here and was able to go at sub 5 posts/minute!
Typically, I only go out at a conservative 8 posts per minute but the $HIT is GOOD! If I keep this up, I am going to have a new Let's Run Famous Forum new Personal Record..... -
Film at 11:00? wrote:
When did he win a bronze medal in a world age group triathlon championship?
I think that one is true. He oversold it and in the article linked earlier he was "World Champion", but he did place third in a triathlon in Germany. -
elephino wrote:
Film at 11:00? wrote:
When did he win a bronze medal in a world age group triathlon championship?
I think that one is true. He oversold it and in the article linked earlier he was "World Champion", but he did place third in a triathlon in Germany.
btw, he manages to push himself both as a former world champion, elite athlete when he was in his 20s and as a non-running couch potato during the same period. -
BoneHawk wrote:
I have gotten the phone number for Mr. Youngs Crew!
9082406253 feel free to call them with any questions
When is the interview? -
sc42 wrote:
What is so strange about wondering what the %#$^ is up with some car that starts following you around at 2 AM in the middle of nowhere?
This is a good example of the BS I was referring to, OK.
Someone is doing a well-publicised run where they are running at night - understand this point - at night - and they have said people are welcome to join - any prizes for guessing when people are going to turn up?
Someone turns up with no runner in sight and the RV going at running speed, this person on foot is then supposed to be a threat to a number of individuals in a vehicle - get real, if they are that afraid why are they even out at night without their mothers? -
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CoachKev wrote:
Kevlar wrote:
Kev -
Please answer:
1. Do you think his 40 mile efforts at sub 7 min mile pace through the desert are genuine?
2. Why have they stopped since this thread started?
3. What do you now think about his pro cycling career?
4. What do you think about his marathon and half marathon pbs vanishing from his website?
5. You're not there either. Is your mind open to the POSSIBILITY he has lied and cheated?
1. I have no idea as i'm not there but I do think its very possible.
2. Why has what stopped? If you mean Rob running he still is and he is very tired. the heat is crazy and he has run a lot of miles. There is a huge amount of respect now on Ultra list for what he is doing and this is coming from respected athletes not people who hide behind keyboards.
3. I have no idea but I think this looks very much like Rob at the back of the pack if you increase the size of the pic. I have asked for more evidence direct and will post when i get more
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Robert_Young_(triathlete)#/media/File:Robert_Young_team_time_trial_cycling.jpg
4. I would estimate that they are looking into the full details. I know at London when he ran 3.07 he stopped and was interviewed for around 15-20 minutes and I think ti was by lucozade but I will get this clarified and a link to show the interview if this is possible. If you take 15 mins off this 3.07 then his probability of running 2.41 is highly probable
5.My mind is very open to this possibility. I do know a bit more than many of the doubters on here AND I have run with him on a few occasions.
I say let him continue running and get people on the ground running with him. Surely the original poster who put the various VERY suspect videos on here will be only maybe 100 miles away and could go along and view or run with Rob now.
It's very sad to see so many haters and people saying things that they have no evidence at all or reason to say. There is shed loads of speculation and no concrete evidence. I am trying to provide concrete evcidence and not hyperbole.
Ironically the poster who called him self aperrson is not Andy Persson at all. This fraud account posted that he had spoken to Rob's Fiance Joanna and this never happened as I spoke to Joanna about this today.
If people want to pretend to be someone they are not then how can anyone believe anything on this or other threads. People need to be transparent and not hide behind aliases or BS names. At least i am being genuine and have no agenda other than to support someone I trust and believe in.
I have run with Rob. I have donated to his various charities and contributed a tiny amount when he was in deep financial trouble on his race across America.
I can assure you all that he has NEVER taken any money from any of his charities and to say so is not only a downright lie but it could get those who say this into trouble. I will get full disclosure on this from the various charities and post here when I have it.
Rob has had some supporters financially at home in the UK and has also received some sponsorship money but I can tell you he is not making any decent money or even any money worth talking about. He is constantly on the breadline.
His book sales will help a little but believe me when I tell you that he will probably earn in the region of £1.00 per book until that book has sold at least 2 reprints and then it will increase to maybe the princely sum of £2.00 a book. (This last statement on the book sales alone is my estimation and belief and is not a hard fact)
If you want to really hurt Rob and make him suffer then why don't you let him complete the challenge as running with this level of scrutiny for the remaining distance will be very intense. However defaming his character and saying he has stolen money is slanderous.
I agree there seem to be inconsistencies with some of his times but Rob has run hundreds of races in his time and whilst times are important to many they don't really have that much of a bearing for him. As we get more information I will post here.
I will happily answer any questions that I have answers to and if I don't have an answer I will endeavour to find it for you all as long as it is relevant and not just some dumb ass statement of malice.
In the mean time please let him run and go and join him for a run but keep the really nasty stuff for the really nasty people who deserve it. This is just a guy running across a country, it's not life or death. If he does beat the record then there will be plenty of people who will be on his case to prove every aspect of this.
Thank you CoachKev. I don't have the depth of your experience with Rob. I happened to meet him earlier this year after listening to a presentation and then had the chance of spending a couple hours with him in a social environment.
I found him to be genuinely passionate about his causes and walked away feeling that I had just met a special individual who is wired a bit differently than myself but in such a way that makes his world and abilities plausible.
As for the van team - they are not a professional support team. It's a couple of guys ( I personally know one of them - Michael ) that are learning on the job. Managing their own fatigue, Rob and trying to manage the data/updates can't be easy - especially a month into this attempt.
I can't speak to whether he has legitimately completed the attempt to this point. I wasn't there. I also wasn't there when the original poster in this forum showed up. Is his story fabricated to bring doubt to Rob's attempt? For someone outside of the Ultra "Let's Run" community that's just as plausible. His actions seem like he was out to "catch him" not doing what he said he was doing.
I do find it interesting that most of the doubters here seem to be concerned of his ability due to his pedigree. The "He's not one of us" attitude. He isn't. He doesn't have the traditional ultra runners resume. From my brief experience with him my guess is that he doesn't care. Had he competed in the Westcoast alongside some of you would you be giving him more slack and waiting until he finished?
I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. If he finishes this attempt, the data will be presented and there will be plenty of time to scrutinize it.
I hope others concerned with the legitimacy of his attempt will give him the benefit of the doubt too until all the evidence is presented.
What do you mean "if he finishes this attempt, the data will be presented?". I think anyone would agree that he needs to present data RIGHT NOW. What he's planning to present to Guiness is only proof that he covered the distance with GPS data on an RV. He's not going to provide data proving he RAN that distance. If I or any other sane honest runner were him, I'd be putting up as much data as possible to show up the skeptics. The idea that we will see something only when he's done is ludicrous. He's had and continues to have so much opportunity to prove his honesty but so far we have seen nothing. -
On his personal Facebook page (Robert H P Young, not marathonmanuk) he states he profession as professional athlete with British athletics. The same with the whole triathlon thing being a complete fabrication, there is no evidence I can find of a current or former athlete under his name. He's not even part of a local athletics club according to power of 10. It's a relatively minor point but adds to a pile of other lies.
And anyway, what distance is he supposed to be professional? 7km!? -
Hertfordshire Insider wrote:
This is just Rob's way to make a living.
He was doing the same thing back in 2004.
http://archive.is/z26ng
World Champion Swims for Charity
(14th April 2004)
The World Long Course Triathlon Champion, Robert Young, took to the water at The John Warner Sports Centre in Hoddesdon on Sunday 7th March to raise money for Cancer Research UK.
Robert completed a 12km swim, or 480 lengths of the pool, which took him around four hours to complete. He has collected over £3000 so far for Cancer Research and upon completion of the event is hoping to increase this figure.
This was the first leg of a three-event charity fund-raiser for the 21 year old from Cheshunt. The next stage is the “Three Summit Challenge†which will see him climb Ben Nevis, Scafell Pike and Mount Snowdon. Robert has to also cycle between each mountain and is hoping to break the current world record of 40 hours 57 minutes. The final stage is a long-distance run, of which details are yet to be announced.
Robert has completed many fund-raising events, including sponsored runs and swims for cancer charities as well as raising over £1000 for Save the Children. Robert is currently a member of the Great Britain triathlon and biathlon teams and later this year he will be competing in eight international events and three national competitions.
In May, Robert hopes to retain his title at the World Long Course Championships. He is also looking forward to completing more fund-raising events in the future.
Those who would like to sponsor Robert can telephone 07919 444102. For details on the swimming programme or for further information on other activities available at The John Warner Sports Centre, residents can telephone 01992 445375.
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Compare this to his book. I quote verbatim what he describes of his thoughts while running his allegedly first marathon on April 15, 2014:
"As I ran that morning, I realised how bizarre the whole thing was. The idea of Rob Young the runner is hilarious to me. Let me explain why: when I was 17 years old I was a triathlete for Great Britain. I'm a decent swimmer, so I could hold my own in that, splash around with the best of them and finish up there with the leaders at the end of that first stage of the triathlon. Then we'd get on the bikes and I was in my element. I was born to cycle. Ever since I was a teenager, racing banged-up broken-down old bikes against men on their expensive road bikes, and beating them, I had a way on two wheels. I was fast and I had the lungs to push.
So the second stage of the triathlon was a breeze. Well, it would have been, only I couldn't afford to just be fast -- I had to be super fast. I had to bomb off and build a big lead, come in in [sic] first place (and by some way) to have a chance in the race overall, because my running was awful. I was slow: Mr Plod, Dr Dawdle. Which meant coming off the bike was the beginning of my race. It was only a matter of time before I could hear someone breathing down my neck and then, more times than not, going past me. I couldn't hold them off. So running was always associated with defeat and failure for me. And now here I was running around the park with dreams of world records and helping charities. You couldn't make it up."
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No mention that he had supposedly won a triathlon. And supposedly had done long distance runs. The run leg of that ITU World Championship was 30K. 18.6 miles is not 26.2, but did he do any long distance runs in training for those long-distance triathlons? In the book, he makes it sounds like he only occasionally ran 5K as a recreational runner. "I was just a 31-year-old office worker who hadn't run his first marathon yet." Technically, that may have been true, but it would be very misleading.
So which narrative is the real Rob Young?
(1) The champion triathlete who was also going to climb the three highest peaks in the UK and bike between them and finish with a long run of undetermined distance (as this 2004 article claims)? (Did he actually do this?)
(2) The 5K recreational runner who became an instant marathoner on a whim with no training after watching the London Marathon in 2014 and then ran his first 10 marathons in 7 days, including his first 3 progressively faster in the first 30 hours of that stretch? (as his book claims) -
curiously interested wrote:
A CAFE owner has completed seven marathons in seven days to raise money for a Bristol-based water charity.
Andy Persson, 47, who co-owns and runs Hooper House Cafe in Stokes Croft, ran 184 miles from the source of the River Thames near Kemble in Gloucestershire to the Thames Barrier in London.
He finished the gruelling task on Saturday afternoon after setting off on Sunday, August 26.
Mr Persson completed the final marathon – from Kew Bridge to the Thames Barrier – in three hours and 56 minutes. He said: "I seemed to get stronger each day and felt really good when I finished. I felt like turning around and doing it again.
Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-cafe-owner-runs-seven-marathons-seven/story-16812165-detail/story.html#ixzz4BHkvZWUu
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Sorry, Andy. Sounds like a great series of runs for an experienced runner, but your friend Rob Young belittles you. He ran seven marathons in his first five days of marathoning! We should know. It's in his book!
PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A MARATHON IF YOU RAN 26 MILES!!
In college I did 6 X mile repeats, 10 mile tempo runs, daily training runs. Never have I said or heard my teammate's say they ran a "10k today."
That implies an actual race. Certified, official timers, competition.
I've run 26.2 miles before in training for a real marathon race. It's not a marathon. It's a damn long run. -
Guys, change your profile picture to show your support!!11
https://i.imgur.com/ll7hsyL.jpg
