Robert Young fakes run across America

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  • skyrefuge
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 12:58pm CDT
    re: Max Rob
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    On the second day, they were so concerned about minimizing the mileage that they did a 0.6 mi scramble up a mountainside "shortcut".

    Video: https://www.facebook.com/marathonmanuk/videos/1034375999979991/
    Strava: https://www.strava.com/activities/617260019

    Despite the "half of a mile or so" they think this idiocy saved them, I measure on Google Earth, and it actually saved only 0.15 miles vs. staying on the road, and surely took way more out of Rob (and especially the poor sap who keeps having his bike tumble down on him!) than taking the road route would have.

    Later, they were so concerned about minimizing the mileage that they took the RV off-road and got it stuck in the sand.

    Then, between Kirtland and Farmington NM, they're so unconcerned with mileage that in quick succession, Rob runs off-route over to a cafe, an erotic toys/video store(!!), and a Dollar General parking lot. The craziest one is the Dollar General, where he *backtracks* west out on the road through the driveway they came in on, even though there was an obvious driveway out the south side that would have saved him 0.07 miles (not to mention even more-direct unpaved terrain that would have been far easier to run on than that scramble in California).

    The confusing thing here is that it's pretty clearly not the RV creating the track, which would be the obvious explanation. The GPS track looks very much like a running track, particularly since most of it is on the wrong side of the highway.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/617303361

    So I'm trying to figure out, are they just that dumb? Or is something else going on here? Like maybe that was really Dustin on the bike?
  • The Bike is now Key!
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 1:15pm CDT
    re: skyrefuge
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    Like maybe that was really Dustin on the bike?

    Bingo! The fact that they posted GPS data that came from Dustin while he was on the bike video taping Rob is proof that Dustin riding the bike is also part of these record breaking"runs" pre-Asher!

    That is Dustin with the British accent right? I can't quite make out what he is saying as he is taping Rob running.
  • 1 2 3 green
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 1:32pm CDT
    re: skyrefuge
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    skyrefuge,

    The answer is both. That was probably dustin on the bike, and they are also that dumb. They continually do things that defy all logic, including but not limited to;
    driving across the country at 10mph on interstate highways,
    releasing gps data that basically proves their guilt,
    using a gps but not bothering to get continual gps data,
    thinking 5:00 pace mid transcon at 9000ft altitude is a perfectly reasonable lie,
    claiming they don't have internet access in a video they just uploaded onto the internet,
    etc. etc.
  • Oddities
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 1:40pm CDT
    re: 1 2 3 green
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    The Daily Mail article says 'today I still have quite a number of scars on my body from these beatings'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739680/My-father-molested-sister-hung-neck-rope-fun-Inspiring-abuse-survivor-running-marathon-day-work-365-days-stop-happening-others.html

    We get to see quite a lot of his body on the running photos and videos - but no sign of any scars....??

    I am quite sure there's a whole lot of the personal back story that is as fabricated as the running.
  • Guy that adds points
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 1:45pm CDT
    re: 1 2 3 green
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    Don't forget the stupidity of uploading two sets of GPS data for the same daily run. Then posting a video showing why that was the case by showing Dustin on the bike with GPS video taping Rob running with GPS

    Oops!
  • Challengerunning
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:07pm CDT
    re: skyrefuge
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    Response from skins UK on messenger when I asked about why they are supporting him still and if they will continue to support him.

    Hi Lindley,

    As you would appreciate we do not want to execute a decision about Rob simply due to the weight of negative social media comments where those comments come from anonymous sources and, in large part, caste dispersions on Rob and his conduct without evidence. We just do not do that as a brand. We need to be balanced and fair and will act accordingly once we have all the facts.

    As mentioned in our statement, SKINS will appoint a qualified independent person(s) with standing within the running community to review Robert’s world record attempt in-depth, including his GPS data to investigate and analyse the accusations that have been made, and will share these findings independently from Robert or SKINS with the running community.

    We are close to confirming two independent people and we should have more information and a press release regarding this in the next 1-3 days.

    Thanks,
    SKINS Team
  • team1.kml
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:13pm CDT
    re: 1 2 3 green
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    1 2 3 green wrote:

    skyrefuge,

    The answer is both. That was probably dustin on the bike, and they are also that dumb. They continually do things that defy all logic, including but not limited to;
    driving across the country at 10mph on interstate highways,
    releasing gps data that basically proves their guilt,
    using a gps but not bothering to get continual gps data,
    thinking 5:00 pace mid transcon at 9000ft altitude is a perfectly reasonable lie,
    claiming they don't have internet access in a video they just uploaded onto the internet,
    etc. etc.

    This is the best thing I've read on this thread in some time. Thanks!
  • noobrunner
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    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:14pm CDT
    re: Challengerunning
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    "without evidence"

    just because they refuse to look at the evidence put forth doesn't mean there is no evidence....
  • devils avocadoate
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:15pm CDT
    re: Oddities
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    Oddities wrote:

    The Daily Mail article says 'today I still have quite a number of scars on my body from these beatings'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739680/My-father-molested-sister-hung-neck-rope-fun-Inspiring-abuse-survivor-running-marathon-day-work-365-days-stop-happening-others.html

    We get to see quite a lot of his body on the running photos and videos - but no sign of any scars....??

    I am quite sure there's a whole lot of the personal back story that is as fabricated as the running.

    Scars are easy enough to hide and the photos aren't detailed enough for the most part. Not saying it's not fabricated--just saying this is not a defensible argument for the "haters"
  • Shifty McGrifter
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:21pm CDT
    re: Challengerunning
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    Challengerunning wrote:

    Response from skins UK on messenger when I asked about why they are supporting him still and if they will continue to support him.

    Hi Lindley,

    As you would appreciate we do not want to execute a decision about Rob simply due to the weight of negative social media comments where those comments come from anonymous sources and, in large part, caste dispersions on Rob and his conduct without evidence. We just do not do that as a brand. We need to be balanced and fair and will act accordingly once we have all the facts.

    As mentioned in our statement, SKINS will appoint a qualified independent person(s) with standing within the running community to review Robert’s world record attempt in-depth, including his GPS data to investigate and analyse the accusations that have been made, and will share these findings independently from Robert or SKINS with the running community.

    We are close to confirming two independent people and we should have more information and a press release regarding this in the next 1-3 days.

    Thanks,
    SKINS Team

    "execute a decision"?

    "cast dispersions"??

    Who gets PAID to write like this?

    Anonymous SKINS drone calling out anonymous LRC trolls. It's Monday morning at the circus.
  • skyrefuge
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:26pm CDT
    re: skyrefuge
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    And has there been any discussion of this craziness near Toledo, KS, just west of Emporia?

    https://www.strava.com/activities/617321196

    The GPS track turns south off of US 50 onto a small dirt dead-end road that crosses a couple sets of railroad tracks that parallel US 50. It backtracks north and south over itself on that road, crossing the tracks *multiple times*, in addition to heading briefly east and west(!) *along* one set of tracks, before finally heading east along a dirt path between the sets of tracks. Then it goes a mile on that dirt path before jogging back north onto US 50.

    All told, it was nearly a mile of aimless back-and-forth before finally deciding to take the tracks eastward!

    If I'm being charitable, I assume there was a car fire on US 50 in that 1-mile section that had the road closed, so Rob found a way to detour around it. But that doesn't explain the aimless back-and-forth.

    I suppose an alternate explanation would be again that this is the track from a bored bike rider just riding around. Particularly since the pace drops from ~6min/mi to Rob's walking pace when the GPS track returns to US 50. Maybe Rob and the RV were walking down US 50 the whole time while Dustin was off exploring, and then he met back up with them on US 50 and walked/rode with them for the last mile of the GPS track?
  • RYoungFan1
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:28pm CDT
    re: The Bike is now Key!
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    The Bike is now Key! wrote:

    Like maybe that was really Dustin on the bike?

    Bingo! The fact that they posted GPS data that came from Dustin while he was on the bike video taping Rob is proof that Dustin riding the bike is also part of these record breaking"runs" pre-Asher!

    That is Dustin with the British accent right? I can't quite make out what he is saying as he is taping Rob running.


    Anyone know how to make a segment for the day 1 part of the run on Atlanta Ave? It sure looks suspicious. Would be curious to see how other runners tracks look (specifically the street crossings). He has to be on a bike by then. Pace is very, very fast.
  • Investigator
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:31pm CDT
    re: devils avocadoate
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    devils avocadoate wrote:

    Oddities wrote:

    The Daily Mail article says 'today I still have quite a number of scars on my body from these beatings'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739680/My-father-molested-sister-hung-neck-rope-fun-Inspiring-abuse-survivor-running-marathon-day-work-365-days-stop-happening-others.html

    We get to see quite a lot of his body on the running photos and videos - but no sign of any scars....??

    I am quite sure there's a whole lot of the personal back story that is as fabricated as the running.

    Scars are easy enough to hide and the photos aren't detailed enough for the most part. Not saying it's not fabricated--just saying this is not a defensible argument for the "haters"


    I found an article a while back where the author corroborated the existence of scars on his thigh and foot IIRC, one of which Rob said was due to his father forcing his sister to stab him.
  • Asher Delmott
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:35pm CDT
    re: skyrefuge
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    skyrefuge wrote:

    And has there been any discussion of this craziness near Toledo, KS, just west of Emporia?

    https://www.strava.com/activities/617321196

    The GPS track turns south off of US 50 onto a small dirt dead-end road that crosses a couple sets of railroad tracks that parallel US 50. It backtracks north and south over itself on that road, crossing the tracks *multiple times*, in addition to heading briefly east and west(!) *along* one set of tracks, before finally heading east along a dirt path between the sets of tracks. Then it goes a mile on that dirt path before jogging back north onto US 50.

    All told, it was nearly a mile of aimless back-and-forth before finally deciding to take the tracks eastward!

    If I'm being charitable, I assume there was a car fire on US 50 in that 1-mile section that had the road closed, so Rob found a way to detour around it. But that doesn't explain the aimless back-and-forth.

    I suppose an alternate explanation would be again that this is the track from a bored bike rider just riding around. Particularly since the pace drops from ~6min/mi to Rob's walking pace when the GPS track returns to US 50. Maybe Rob and the RV were walking down US 50 the whole time while Dustin was off exploring, and then he met back up with them on US 50 and walked/rode with them for the last mile of the GPS track?

    This would have been in the time frame a film crew was with him (possibly ESPN based on their account of the story). They probably had him doing random stuff to get some "better" shots of him running.
  • skyrefuge
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:53pm CDT
    re: Investigator
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    Investigator wrote:
    https://www.strava.com/activities/617303327
    https://www.strava.com/activities/617300936

    https://imgur.com/a/CD8zV - you can tell because when possible the cyclist/videographer cuts away from the street.

    There's nothing untoward here specifically, but why would Dustin have a TomTom on the bike? Perhaps the bike was a part of the fraud after all?

    Ah, ok, and the segment I was investigating ( https://www.strava.com/activities/617321196 ) immediately follows that run + bike segment. So we have hard evidence of a segment that was produced by a bike rider, and then in the segment immediately following that one, the GPS track looks suspiciously bike-rider-ish (particularly since bike segment #1 has a veer into a "monsterslayer.com" storefront very similar to segment #2's veer into "Something Sexy 2", the erotic toy/video store). That makes it very easy to believe that segment #2 was also produced by a bike ride.
  • Investigator
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:55pm CDT
    re: Challengerunning
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    Challengerunning wrote:

    Response from skins UK on messenger when I asked about why they are supporting him still and if they will continue to support him.

    Hi Lindley,

    As you would appreciate we do not want to execute a decision about Rob simply due to the weight of negative social media comments where those comments come from anonymous sources and, in large part, caste dispersions on Rob and his conduct without evidence. We just do not do that as a brand. We need to be balanced and fair and will act accordingly once we have all the facts.

    As mentioned in our statement, SKINS will appoint a qualified independent person(s) with standing within the running community to review Robert’s world record attempt in-depth, including his GPS data to investigate and analyse the accusations that have been made, and will share these findings independently from Robert or SKINS with the running community.

    We are close to confirming two independent people and we should have more information and a press release regarding this in the next 1-3 days.

    Thanks,
    SKINS Team

    "No evidence"...

    Jesus, I hope this is just some email answering intern and not the guy in charge of giving data to the panel. "Here are the bad comments about him on our blog - please evaluate these"...
  • Ukrunner777
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:57pm CDT
    re: RYoungFan1
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    RYoungFan1 wrote:

    The Bike is now Key! wrote:

    Like maybe that was really Dustin on the bike?

    Bingo! The fact that they posted GPS data that came from Dustin while he was on the bike video taping Rob is proof that Dustin riding the bike is also part of these record breaking"runs" pre-Asher!

    That is Dustin with the British accent right? I can't quite make out what he is saying as he is taping Rob running.


    Anyone know how to make a segment for the day 1 part of the run on Atlanta Ave? It sure looks suspicious. Would be curious to see how other runners tracks look (specifically the street crossings). He has to be on a bike by then. Pace is very, very fast.


    Only someone who has ran a route can make a segment from it.
  • skyrefuge
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 2:57pm CDT
    re: Asher Delmott
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    Asher Delmott wrote:
    This would have been in the time frame a film crew was with him (possibly ESPN based on their account of the story). They probably had him doing random stuff to get some "better" shots of him running.

    Good catch, that's at least a theory that doesn't require straight-up insanity from Rob. It was at lunchtime, and who doesn't like shots near railroad tracks (or even train cars!) to epitomize the crossing of middle-America?
  • Investigator
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 3:00pm CDT
    re: skyrefuge
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    skyrefuge wrote:

    Investigator wrote:
    https://www.strava.com/activities/617303327
    https://www.strava.com/activities/617300936

    https://imgur.com/a/CD8zV - you can tell because when possible the cyclist/videographer cuts away from the street.

    There's nothing untoward here specifically, but why would Dustin have a TomTom on the bike? Perhaps the bike was a part of the fraud after all?

    Ah, ok, and the segment I was investigating ( https://www.strava.com/activities/617321196 ) immediately follows that run + bike segment. So we have hard evidence of a segment that was produced by a bike rider, and then in the segment immediately following that one, the GPS track looks suspiciously bike-rider-ish (particularly since bike segment #1 has a veer into a "monsterslayer.com" storefront very similar to segment #2's veer into "Something Sexy 2", the erotic toy/video store). That makes it very easy to believe that segment #2 was also produced by a bike ride.


    I think you meant to link this one: https://www.strava.com/activities/617303361
  • skyrefuge
    3 years ago 06/27/2016 3:07pm CDT
    re: Investigator
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    Investigator wrote:
    I think you meant to link this one: https://www.strava.com/activities/617303361

    Dammit, yes, bad copy/paste on my part. Thanks for the correction!