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SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

Team1.kml wrote:
My thoughts as well on the east west thumbnail. I'm not sure about the blip though. I did some filtering and couldn't get more out of it except that it doesn't stray into the north portion of the thumbnail. Agree about the temps and I'm guilty of that, so I'll stick with the range posted.

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I think from the thumbnail we have a high certainty of his location at 8:19AM. So, bottom line, he has an absolute maximum of 4 hours, 33 minutes to be sitting at the Laughlin pool about 35 miles away. 7:45 min/miles. Unsupported. Desert. That's total time, not moving time....

Besides, his own data claims he ran 22 of those 35 at 10min/mile. So he closed the remaining half marathon in 0h48m.

The jealous haters just cannot accept another world record!!!

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Chinookie wrote:
You guys are blowing this whole opp. Calling him a cheater based on gps and other data is clearly achieving nothing. I don't get why legions of folks weren't racing like firetrucks out to his location from the moment this came to light - physically watching his every action. By now he would have been on a flight back home.

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IamRossi wrote:

Medicated Pete wrote:

Chinookie wrote:
You guys are blowing this whole opp. Calling him a cheater based on gps and other data is clearly achieving nothing. I don't get why legions of folks weren't racing like firetrucks out to his location from the moment this came to light - physically watching his every action. By now he would have been on a flight back home.

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Do you like to drink?

Another year, another troll-fest.

You LR losers are so pathetic.

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rojo wrote:

CoachKev wrote:
You lot forget I've seen Rob in worst states and smash out a sub 6 min mile at the lure of a sausage roll!

Rob will finish and he will show you what he is made of.

He has balls, integrity and guts something many of you obviously lack

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Integrity? Ok prove it.

Can someone please tell me why in the year 2016 a man running with a GPS watch that records cadence won't release the data when he's accused of cheating? Instead he resorts to recording facebook videos talking about how everythign is recorded on paper??

I hope he does finish. That doesn't mean much to me. Lance Armstrong finished the TDF as well. Maron Jones finished the Olympics. They are great athletes. THey also were cheats.

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SpreadsheetMaker wrote:
OK folks, following on the excellent legwork re: the desert RV situation, I have put together the following:

http://i.imgur.com/HdyOwyd.jpg

I matched up the GPS thumbnail with Google Maps and it fits well (there is an off-road trail you can't see at this resolution, before he gets to 95). So I am pretty sure he set off from the stuck RV at 7:31AM, ending up a couple miles north of Bannock on 95 at 8:19AM. From there it is 13 miles to Hwy 163, and other 21 to Laughlin (at least 34 miles).

He claims to get there "around noon". Photo at the pool is at 12:52. So let's say 12:30. That gives him just over 4 hours to run 34 miles along a desert road unsupported... unlikely.

Besides, despite his efforts to cut off an activity from view on the TomTom pics, we can actually discern information from it. The entire upper 50% of the thumbnail circle is visible and essentially empty (save for a couple pixels maybe). This means the run for this activity happened almost completely horizontally (West to East). The little blip that is seen actually corresponds pretty well to the North bend in the road of Rt 163.

It appears, based on this data, though something could be wrong with it, that RY did not run the majority (about 13 miles) of Hwy 95. How, I don't know. The RV was not available. Hitchhike? Who knows what's going on here, but it doesn't add up to "he ran it unsupported".

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team1.kml wrote:

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:
OK folks, following on the excellent legwork re: the desert RV situation, I have put together the following:

http://i.imgur.com/HdyOwyd.jpg

I matched up the GPS thumbnail with Google Maps and it fits well (there is an off-road trail you can't see at this resolution, before he gets to 95). So I am pretty sure he set off from the stuck RV at 7:31AM, ending up a couple miles north of Bannock on 95 at 8:19AM. From there it is 13 miles to Hwy 163, and other 21 to Laughlin (at least 34 miles).

He claims to get there "around noon". Photo at the pool is at 12:52. So let's say 12:30. That gives him just over 4 hours to run 34 miles along a desert road unsupported... unlikely.

Besides, despite his efforts to cut off an activity from view on the TomTom pics, we can actually discern information from it. The entire upper 50% of the thumbnail circle is visible and essentially empty (save for a couple pixels maybe). This means the run for this activity happened almost completely horizontally (West to East). The little blip that is seen actually corresponds pretty well to the North bend in the road of Rt 163.

It appears, based on this data, though something could be wrong with it, that RY did not run the majority (about 13 miles) of Hwy 95. How, I don't know. The RV was not available. Hitchhike? Who knows what's going on here, but it doesn't add up to "he ran it unsupported".

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The last two segments stitch together nicely to come up with a 12-noon stop time. Remember, he is on Hwy 95 at 8:18am headed north, and then he has a 21-mile segment that takes 3:42 but we don't know when it starts. It does almost fit the distance along Hwy 163 to Laughlin. That's helpful. In order for it to be only 21 miles but also only 3:42, he would had to have been picked up right at the end of his previous segment.

Possibly, he wasn't hitchhiking at all, but was offered a ride by a stranger. He's coming off a 4.6 mile section running 10 minute miles. Don't know if those were slow, then faster, or fast, then slow, but I could see a car pulling over and seeing if he needs a ride.

8:18 is too soon for the RV, which is still stuck in the sand (it gets back on the Hwy at 9:30).

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SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

Team1.kml wrote:
My thoughts as well on the east west thumbnail. I'm not sure about the blip though. I did some filtering and couldn't get more out of it except that it doesn't stray into the north portion of the thumbnail. Agree about the temps and I'm guilty of that, so I'll stick with the range posted.

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I think from the thumbnail we have a high certainty of his location at 8:19AM. So, bottom line, he has an absolute maximum of 4 hours, 33 minutes to be sitting at the Laughlin pool about 35 miles away. 7:45 min/miles. Unsupported. Desert. That's total time, not moving time....

Besides, his own data claims he ran 22 of those 35 at 10min/mile. So he closed the remaining half marathon in 0h48m.

The jealous haters just cannot accept another world record!!!

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theohiostate wrote:
I like you rojo (and wejo,) and I also like the fact that your forum continually strays away from running and explores other topics.

However, there is an irony to your statement about Rob Young finishing, and how it doesn't mean much to you.

You know better than I that T & F is crammed full of cheaters- especially at the world-class level. It's no different at the Tour de France or the Arnold Classic.

You can dig at Lance and Marion, but you'd better hit the rest of the Tour and the top of the T & F food chain, too.

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SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

team1.kml wrote:

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:
OK folks, following on the excellent legwork re: the desert RV situation, I have put together the following:

http://i.imgur.com/HdyOwyd.jpg

I matched up the GPS thumbnail with Google Maps and it fits well (there is an off-road trail you can't see at this resolution, before he gets to 95). So I am pretty sure he set off from the stuck RV at 7:31AM, ending up a couple miles north of Bannock on 95 at 8:19AM. From there it is 13 miles to Hwy 163, and other 21 to Laughlin (at least 34 miles).

He claims to get there "around noon". Photo at the pool is at 12:52. So let's say 12:30. That gives him just over 4 hours to run 34 miles along a desert road unsupported... unlikely.

Besides, despite his efforts to cut off an activity from view on the TomTom pics, we can actually discern information from it. The entire upper 50% of the thumbnail circle is visible and essentially empty (save for a couple pixels maybe). This means the run for this activity happened almost completely horizontally (West to East). The little blip that is seen actually corresponds pretty well to the North bend in the road of Rt 163.

It appears, based on this data, though something could be wrong with it, that RY did not run the majority (about 13 miles) of Hwy 95. How, I don't know. The RV was not available. Hitchhike? Who knows what's going on here, but it doesn't add up to "he ran it unsupported".

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The last two segments stitch together nicely to come up with a 12-noon stop time. Remember, he is on Hwy 95 at 8:18am headed north, and then he has a 21-mile segment that takes 3:42 but we don't know when it starts. It does almost fit the distance along Hwy 163 to Laughlin. That's helpful. In order for it to be only 21 miles but also only 3:42, he would had to have been picked up right at the end of his previous segment.

Possibly, he wasn't hitchhiking at all, but was offered a ride by a stranger. He's coming off a 4.6 mile section running 10 minute miles. Don't know if those were slow, then faster, or fast, then slow, but I could see a car pulling over and seeing if he needs a ride.

8:18 is too soon for the RV, which is still stuck in the sand (it gets back on the Hwy at 9:30).

Yes assuming he gets to Laughlin in the 12:00-12:52 possible range, that means the 21.97 mile run started from 8:18-9:10.

The prior 4.61 mile run ends at ~8:19. So he has a MAXIMUM of 51 minutes to travel 13 miles.

Drops mic.

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rojo wrote:
Can someone please tell me why in the year 2016 a man running with a GPS watch that records cadence won't release the data when he's accused of cheating? Instead he resorts to recording facebook videos talking about how everythign is recorded on paper??

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team1.kml wrote:

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:

Team1.kml wrote:
My thoughts as well on the east west thumbnail. I'm not sure about the blip though. I did some filtering and couldn't get more out of it except that it doesn't stray into the north portion of the thumbnail. Agree about the temps and I'm guilty of that, so I'll stick with the range posted.

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I think from the thumbnail we have a high certainty of his location at 8:19AM. So, bottom line, he has an absolute maximum of 4 hours, 33 minutes to be sitting at the Laughlin pool about 35 miles away. 7:45 min/miles. Unsupported. Desert. That's total time, not moving time....

Besides, his own data claims he ran 22 of those 35 at 10min/mile. So he closed the remaining half marathon in 0h48m.

The jealous haters just cannot accept another world record!!!

Are there two stories? Markus (I think) received a message saying he ran about 36 miles. That's in the graphic. That is the full distance back to Laughlin from the Hwy 95 segment ending at 8:18am.

The blog says that he cut through the desert and ran over a hill. I've been assuming that the 21.9 miles are a direct continuation following the segment ending at 8:18 and the suggestion was he ran straight through the desert (straight-line path along power line roads). Not sure where I got that idea, but I can't seem to find the evidence for that suggestion right now. Was there something else that suggested he made a cross-desert short cut beside the blog?

Going back to the 36-mile thing, everyone is in agreement that's just ludicrous because the timing doesn't work. We have the 3:42, 21.9 mile segment at 10:06 pace preceding the segment leaving Laughlin. Coincidentally, 8:18 followed by a 3:42 ends at 12:00 noon. So there are 15 miles missing.

15 miles of a hitched ride north on Hwy 95? Then it would have been a 15-minute ride and then he gets dropped off and starts laying down more 10-minute miles all the way back to Laughlin... actually, slower miles for awhile, with some faster ones coming into Laughlin.

This supports the straight east-west thumbnail assumption with the 21.9 mile segment AND fits the timeline. One interesting side effect of this is that he would have been running down Hwy 163 for about 70 minutes before the RV caught and passed him. They would certainly have seen them. Wouldn't there have been a reunion of sorts? Wouldn't the van have slowed and escorted the runner?

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SpreadsheetMaker wrote:
I wonder if it was RY's idea only, or if it was a spur of the moment thing as you suggest. Or entirely conceived and planned ahead of time. I mean why the hell else would you drive the RV there, unless maybe you want to get stuck and create confusion.

Robert Young is literally claiming to have done a half marathon in the possible time range of 0-52 minutes, based on his posted data and blog. And wonders why we question him so hard...

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KudzuRunner wrote:
What seems to be emerging is a portrait neither of total honesty nor of wholesale fraud, but of a kind of mixed mode: do a whole lot of running and walking, but in order to maintain the 70 miles per day rate (or whatever the exact figure is) required to break the record, throw in some 10-minute, 10-mile bursts in the van.

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team1.kml wrote:

SpreadsheetMaker wrote:
I wonder if it was RY's idea only, or if it was a spur of the moment thing as you suggest. Or entirely conceived and planned ahead of time. I mean why the hell else would you drive the RV there, unless maybe you want to get stuck and create confusion.

Robert Young is literally claiming to have done a half marathon in the possible time range of 0-52 minutes, based on his posted data and blog. And wonders why we question him so hard...

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The blog suggests it was Rob's idea to drive on these sandy roads. It looks like the roads do some stair-stepping along the highway and you can see the KML following those dirt roads for awhile (from 5:11 (8:11 Eastern)) until they got stuck at around 6:15. Where they got stuck it looks like the stair-step pattern breaks down and they tried to follow the sandy wash rather than the road. I think that was just a navigation mistake. And I doubt RY wanted to be stuck in the desert for 2 and a half hours in the middle of nowhere. He continued following the dirt road on his way across the desert to Hwy 95, but he stuck to Hwy 95 headed north until at least 8:18am.

BTW, the screenshots of the TomTom are something called TomTom MySports DashBoard. To register you need to have a TomTom device. All of this data is already uploaded to the TomTom website. Conceivably with pace, cadence, and possibly HR data. He's accessing it with his browser. I don't know if TomTom MySports allows you to share your data publicly...

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Yeah that's what the blog says, but that's probably only because thats what RY told them. Besides, he actually was running in the desert for a couple miles before hitting Hwy 95. So maybe there was a little hill there and that's what it refers to. I doubt an EPIC self-supported, self-navigated rage through the freakin Dead Mountains would receive such a nonchalant mention.

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Ultralist update wrote:
As of 8:59pm PT on 6/15/16:

34.5 miles to Indy, 757 to Times Square.

56.83mpd required to achieve record.

Ran 46.4 miles on 6/15 (midnight-midnight ET)

319.6 hours remaining.

Not a good day for him.....

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