• The day the RV broke down
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:05PM - in reply to get your stories straight
      • The day the RV broke down
      • get your stories straight wrote:
        Much easier to look at this way. Thanks for putting it together

        The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Glad to be of service. Just another couple of hours on the clock of time 'wasted' on this saga.
    • 10/10
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:05PM - in reply to sp2
      • 10/10
      • sp2 wrote:
        Rob- nice guy & a cheater too! wrote:
        CoachKev wrote:
        You lot forget I've seen Rob in worst states and smash out a sub 6 min mile at the lure of a sausage roll!

        Rob will finish and he will show you what he is made of.

        He has balls, integrity and guts something many of you obviously lack
        Kev, please explain to us why can't Rob duplicate his 70+ mile days in the Rockies and in the Mojave Desert?
        ------------------------------------------------

        So, to Sum Up:

        Jesus (I mean Robby, sorry; I keep forgetting) ran 70 miles a day across the desert and the canyons and the mountains, in brutal heat and wind, lots of it at 6 and 7-minute pace, without even struggling.
        Looked fresh as a daisy in every picture, had time to go for fun side-trips, hang out and watch movies, etc.
        Kept this up for 3 weeks, no prob.

        Then, after apparently being caught joy-riding in the bus, suddenly coming under serious scrutiny for the first time, and, to all appearances, actually being forced to do all the miles on foot,... for, what, maybe 5 or 6 days?...
        he's been reduced to a quivering blob of protoplasm, death-marching along at 30-minute pace, literally falling on his face with exhaustion, suddenly burned and blistered for the first time,... on the thin edge of expiration.

        Yeah, sure, it's probably just a coincidence.
        This is what was nicely summed up. 10/10

        I'm behind a couple of pages so friggin hard to keep up.
    • here's your business plan, rob
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:07PM - in reply to KudzuRunner
      • here's your business plan, rob
      • If Robert wants to come clean, he will need someone to blame. And that will be his crew. He can make up a great story about how his "friends" as well as SKINS, exploited him and lied for him about the rules for breaking the record. Adding to that he can claim that his "friends" managed his web site and put up all the lies. Add in a dash of terrible childhood, some new found spirituality, a ton of remorse, and the background theme "I did it all for the kids" and he should make a lot more buck from that than by writing a book about a failed record attempt.
    • 1 2 3 green
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:08PM - in reply to The day the RV broke down
      • 1 2 3 green
      • The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Nice! use arcmap?

        one thing: we are now pretty sure the gps watch ended at 8:19 on hwy 95 going north, not at the RV, and He left the RV at 7:31
    • The day the RV broke down
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:12PM - in reply to 1 2 3 green
      • The day the RV broke down
      • 1 2 3 green wrote:
        The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Nice! use arcmap?

        one thing: we are now pretty sure the gps watch ended at 8:19 on hwy 95 going north, not at the RV, and He left the RV at 7:31
        I just used gmaps and photoshop.

        Yeah I only just came back to the thread and saw the new theories about him being on 95. By that point it was too late to edit.

        I think it still gives most of the fact. But happy to post the PS file for people to edit.
    • MightyUlist
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:13PM - in reply to The day the RV broke down
      • MightyUlist
      • The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Nicely done. This needs to go in the google docs summary.
    • The day the RV broke down
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:13PM - in reply to MightyUlist
      • The day the RV broke down
      • MightyUlist wrote:
        The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Nicely done. This needs to go in the google docs summary.
        Cheers. Already added it ;)
    • pigsinblankets
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:14PM - in reply to KudzuRunner
      • pigsinblankets
      • Slugburgers? Those won't work. Only sausage rolls will trigger another series of sub-6 miles.

        *Cue the Popeye music*
    • RYinvestigator
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:15PM - in reply to The day the RV broke down
      • RYinvestigator
      • The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Excellent work!
    • Dmulvee
      registered
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:15PM - in reply to The day the RV broke down
      • Dmulvee
        registered
      • The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Nice work! There is a typo in the minute/miles pace (20:07 instead of 00:07) but that looks great
    • MightyUlist
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:17PM - in reply to Dmulvee
      • MightyUlist
      • Update from laz on the ulist:

        "rob planned his main break fro 1500 hours each day...

        altho circumstances have moved it around some since we have been here....


        and he has begun taking a second break in the middle of the night.


        he counts his day from taking the course at 1800 hours each day

        (following his main break)

        until he goes down for the main break the next day...


        the night break is costing him miles,

        because he is losing some prime hours (lower temps and no sun)

        for making miles.


        but I think he needs the rest to remain effective

        (I think joe l did the math on that for us)

        much of multiday running comes down to tradeoffs

        rest vs time on the run

        speed vs physical pounding


        it is a lot of math,

        and making the right decisions

        when all you have are bad choices.


        laz"
    • Simpleton in Mum's cellar.
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:17PM - in reply to 1 2 3 green
      • Simpleton in Mum's cellar.
      • 1 2 3 green wrote:
        The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Nice! use arcmap?

        one thing: we are now pretty sure the gps watch ended at 8:19 on hwy 95 going north, not at the RV, and He left the RV at 7:31
        You blokes are friggin genius's. So us simpleton kids in our mom's basements (even though in the UK we don't have moms or basements), does this mean he cheated?
    • team1.kml
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:18PM - in reply to 1 2 3 green
      • team1.kml
      • 1 2 3 green wrote:
        1 2 3 green wrote:
        ........................
        So my deduction:
        The 3:42min run has a big ole gap in the middle, paused while taking a ride in the RV, and is why it is conveniently cut off.
        7:30 departure + 0:48 run (4.6mi) + 1:42 run (10mi) + 0:10 RV ride (10mi) + 2:00 run (12mi) = 12:15 arrival and 36 miles covered.

        .........
        Dmulvee wrote:
        I don't understand why he would have done this. Surely travelling at 60 mph would be obvious on his GPS? Even Guinness would want to understand why he is doing miles in a minute.
        What you are saying ties up, but surely he couldn't hope to get away with this? I understand him being in the back of a vehicle and it going at 7 mph (it sounds ridiculous), he could hope to get away with that.
        What i'm guessing is that the GPS watch was paused while he rode in the RV so it didn't show a 60mph segment. I'm thinking it showed a gap or some other anomaly on the map so he cut it off. Probably a straight line with no time or distance associated from where he paused to where he started again.
        I see, how would that work out logistically? He is doing a segment when the RV passes. He gets picked up. He pauses the GPS. They drive him to Laughlin (35 miles). It's now 13:42 Eastern, 10:42 local time. The watch segment needs to run another 90 minutes or so, and he needs a decent amount of miles (less than 21.9, assuming he was picked up in the middle of his segment). He would need to make up miles...

        This is interesting, probably nothing, since it only takes up about 10 minutes of their day, and they could have been scouting for gas or something. The tracker passes through Laughlin and into Arizona up Hwy 68 for the 13:30 check-in before heading back to the NV side, showing up south of their eventual hotel at 13:42, and then at 13:54 they are the hotel for their break. Tracker stayed on for 2 hours, until 15:33 Eastern, or 12:30 local time, just past the time RY should have ended his run. Pool photo is 12:52pm.

        I'm not convinced. These are the "easiest" ways to get the distance and pace on the TomTom imo:

        1) RY actually runs 21 10:00 pace miles unassisted through the Mohave desert on a 100 degree day
        2) RY runs 21 miles on the road, and gets a short ride home (maybe even they give him a 15 mile boost, dropping him off outside Laughlin for the long downhill (where was that reference about the fast downhill into town?).
        3) RY logs 1 minute miles in the RV, pauses before they get to Laughlin, and then lets the watch run
        4) logging extra miles with the tracker at running pace during their break between 1 and 8pm
    • great stuff
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:19PM - in reply to RYinvestigator
      • great stuff
      • RYinvestigator wrote:
        The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Excellent work!
        +1
    • The day the RV broke down
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:19PM - in reply to Dmulvee
      • The day the RV broke down
      • Dmulvee wrote:
        The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        Nice work! There is a typo in the minute/miles pace (20:07 instead of 00:07) but that looks great
        That's weird. I got the numbers from a google sheet. No idea why it came out like that.
    • Markus
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:21PM - in reply to The day the RV broke down
      • Markus
      • The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        That is great, thank you.
        I called out that as BS when I saw it. I am glad somebody followed up on this.
    • Racergirl
      registered
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:23PM - in reply to Dmulvee
      • Racergirl
        registered
      • I read this on a FB ultra running site, a few minutes ago:

        "Second update from Laz:

        ---
        rob planned his main break fro 1500 hours each day...
        altho circumstances have moved it around some since we have been here....

        and he has begun taking a second break in the middle of the night.

        he counts his day from taking the course at 1800 hours each day
        (following his main break)
        until he goes down for the main break the next day...

        the night break is costing him miles,
        because he is losing some prime hours (lower temps and no sun)
        for making miles.

        but I think he needs the rest to remain effective
        (I think joe l did the math on that for us)
        much of multiday running comes down to tradeoffs
        rest vs time on the run
        speed vs physical pounding

        it is a lot of math,
        and making the right decisions
        when all you have are bad choices."
    • Exifmaster
      • RE: Robert Young fakes run across America 6/15/2016 6:24PM - in reply to Markus
      • Exifmaster
      • Markus wrote:
        The day the RV broke down wrote:
        I put together a graphic that illustrates the evidence we have from the day the RV broke down.

        http://i.imgur.com/zjXpAoP.jpg

        Note I have used the most optimistic estimates based on 113's original post. This is more to show the evidence than to propose a theory of what happened.

        If anyone would like the Photoshop file to edit, I can also upload that.
        That is great, thank you.
        I called out that as BS when I saw it. I am glad somebody followed up on this.
        I guess it's not needed now maybe, but Markus do you have the addl photos of the RV breakdown that RY sent you. These could be checked for any additional evidence.