Robert Young fakes run across America

From JW on ulist:

"As of 9:36pm PT on 6/13/16:

79.4 miles to Indy (arrive 9am-3pm 6/16), 805 to Times Square (arrive 10:30am 6/28 - 3am 7/1).

56.33mpd required to achieve record.

Ran 57.3 miles midnight to midnight ET 6/14 (last 3 days ave 53.4mpd, last 6 days ave 47.6mpd)

341.4 hours remaining.

Currently 1.0 miles to Illinois/Indiana border."

Arealpersson must be Schrödinger's cat.
Arealpersson both is and isn't Arealpersson at the same time.

RY's tracker crossed the Illinois-Indiana state line just now (Wed AM) at about 12:59 AM CDT, 1:59 AM EDT. This part of Indiana is in the eastern time zone. My Google Maps tracking shows him at 22.2 miles since starting this afternoon from N Friendship Rd, sometime after 6 PM CDT.

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Cecil wrote:
RY's tracker crossed the Illinois-Indiana state line just now (Wed AM) at about 12:59 AM CDT, 1:59 AM EDT. This part of Indiana is in the eastern time zone. My Google Maps tracking shows him at 22.2 miles since starting this afternoon from N Friendship Rd, sometime after 6 PM CDT.

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'Rob said: “I was over 15st and a bit chubby before I started doing this but I’m down to around 12st.'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/138134/surviving-dads-abuse-spurred-me-on-to-run-417-marathons-in-14-months/

Don't forget he was chubby and 15 stones (210 pounds) when he ran his first three marathons in 30 hours, the fastest at 3.19

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curiously interersted wrote:

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areaIpersson wrote:

RY (CHEATER) PROPAGANDA MACHINE IS TURNING AT FULL SPEED

*Andy Persson* [email protected]

- Yeah, but his claims for his first three marathons are unbelievable. Meaning I couldn't do that and no one I know could. But lets say 99.999% of people couldn't but the 0.001%, by some evolutionary hiccup, do have that capability. That would mean in the UK 600 people could. Maybe one of them went out and found they had an unusual capacity for running and recovery and decided to just keep going for the rest of the year covering 373 marathons and ultras in that time.

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Andy, I'll address the issue about his book since I've been the main one posting about that. I won't repeat what I've posted at length elsewhere in this long thread. Below are the links for anyone who wants to reread the issues about the book.

Regarding his claims of running his first 3 marathons ever in a 30-hour period of time and getting progressively FASTER (4:07, 3:28, 3:19):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7362520&thread=7355147#7362520

And my response to CoachKev who disagreed with my post:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7367340&thread=7355147#7367340

But as it turned out there were more problems to his claim in the book regarding his first 3 marathons once his mapmyrun data was discovered. It didn't match. The courses didn't match at all. The witnesses (Eva & Joanna) that allegedly observed these personal marathons could not have been positioned where he claims in the book. And his mapmyrun data clearly states his 4:07 was his "SECOND MARATHON IN A [DAY]," not his first. I explain that here:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7369345&thread=7355147#7369345

Initially, it seemed that every time I fact-checked something RY claimed, it turned up distorted or exaggerated. Although when I rechecked his book regarding what I thought was a contradiction in his backstory about either being (1) a highly-competitive endurance athlete, or (2) couch potato to instant marathoner, I discovered that I had been too influenced my media articles that over-simplified his story. In his book, RY clearly states that his endurance fitness had lapsed for seven years (even though he downplays #1 in the book). I admitted that misunderstanding on my part here (but I don't know how many read that because things get quickly buried in this thread):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7375158&thread=7355147#7375158

So in summary, as it still stands there are problems and issues reconciling his own mapmyrun data with his own claims in the book. And I do not buy the claim that he ran 4:07, 3:28, 3:19 in that order, on a whim, untrained, in a 30-hour period of time. That's not a rare, exceptional, superhuman thing that is possible as you argue. I don't think you could take an untrained Kalenjin kid in Kenya and pull off a 78-mile stunt like that getting progressively faster.

It is wrong to think RY has faked his entire running career and credentials. And it would be naive to assume everything is truthful as well. Neither position is helpful or productive. Too many on letsrun think everything is a fake. And too many of RY's supporters think everything is absolute truth (and usually based on anecdotal evidence, personality claims, or brief encounters). The truth, I think, is somewhere in the middle, which makes everything open to question until it can be verified.

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Why can't Robbie show us just one 10 mile run at 6:00 min. pace on the easy flat roads. He was doing more than that everyday at high altitude out west.

Robbie. Please show us your superhuman powers of mind over body. You said that you do not feel pain like normal, puny humans.

Show us your World Champion Super Powers.

15 minute miles does not look like Super Running Powers for a World Champion like Robbie.

Is there something wrong with Robbie?

Hey Robbie World Champion Superman.
Please show us just 5 miles in 30 minutes.

Go rekrunner (v.2)!!!

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Grifty wrote:

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runbikeswimrunsomemore wrote:

Vanessa and robert (shacky) her husband are in on it. Lots of links between these people. Get a pencil and follow along and get ready to have your mind blown by the level of grifter and mentally ill you're about to read, which is a small portion of the story.

Vanessa and Shacky are in on this scam. As are the 2 american charities which are fake charities. The "Race Across The Usa" RY "won" last year is put on by one of the fake anerican charities he is now "running for".
The American charities are run by RY's pals. He claims he is running for charity. People donate to the "charities" which are actually RY's pals. The money "for the children" goes to RY's pals, the y split the money "for the children".
Anerican charity 1: 100 mile club. Run by kara lubin. Who put on the "Race Across The USA" last year that RY conveniently won. It is possible that is when this current scam was hatched. Fake charity. It is "to bring awareness of childhood obesity and get kids to move at least 100 miles per year." (For the children)! Their founder is 50 lbs overweight making people "aware" of childhood obesity as she uses donations not needed to encourage kids to move that doesn't require money to fly around the country and selfie. The excuse for her using funds for her living expenses and luxury travel to try to ingratiate herself to people she perceives as the run community is she needs to set up new chapters of the "club". A few others involved in this fake are Vanessa and Shacky who gave up their non jobs for years to "crew" the "Race Across The Usa" runners last year. Vanessa is a successful author. So much so that she sets up go fund me accounts for gas money during the fake "Race across the Usa" (for the children)! Others part of this fake, the aforementioned by others Alex Ramsey, Jup Brown, (he needs your money for a go fund me for a flight home after taking time off his not having a job and doing the fake "Race Across the Usa" last year for the fake 100 mile club charity for the children! last year), and Patrick Sweeny among others.
Fake American charity 2 on this one scam. Tyler Robinson Foundation. The same charity Lisa Smith Batchen (mentally ill and has paid her bills her whole life by scams such as the fake badwater quad she never ran among others), was going to do her transcon for this year "for the children"! Until she got caught on her transcon a less than a week in. Oops, I mean had a "medical emergency." So brave. Here's some more reality for you: Lisa originally claimed she was doing her (fake), transcon this year for a legitimate charity, except they didn't know she was using their name. She gave interviews they were partners. They had no idea. That is the level of crazy here. She was setting up a website using their logo but directing to external donation site (her, even though that legitimate charity has huge legal and legitimate full time dedicated fundraising departments). The legitimate charity got tipped off. Ready for more crazy? Lisa went into panic mode and flew unannounced to their headquarters across the country sure she could manipulate them into letting her use their name. She'd already given interviews they were partners. They gave her a tour and got her out of there. They told her no. She continued to try to use their name even after that, (people in the usa are well aware of her mental illness, faked runs, she needed a charity to try to legitimize her fake transcon). Legitimate charity stopped her, after she kept trying to attach her name to theirs well after they her no. At that point she started her posts about "God testing her" on her facebook page (run the nation with lisa smith batchen), soon after, (because they wouldn't let her use a fake run with no gps and no tracking of donation dollars going to her under her name and once they figured out her mental illness that is "God testing her"). Enter Lisa's high school pal jimmy place of chicago who fancies himself quite a media mogul with his production company no one legitimate has ever heard of who volunteers for "tyler robinson foundation" to get them to let Lisa use their name (the new cause she is "passionate about" in days), to try to make her transcon look legitimate. She got caught in less than a week on the road. Now RY's biggest supporter until yesterday when she tried to put some distance, (no we aren't affiliated so we can set up our next scam).
Lots of other grifters and other fake charities as a smokescreen tied to the same core group of people. This is how these people make a living (and destroy the sport). Also, quite possible vanessa couldn't keep up with a hobby jogger even on a bike, she is a larger lady.

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What a great idea. You have a fake race, and everyone piles in their RVs and drives across the US, while doing promotion and pretend running.

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THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POST!!!

ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!

Very well done.

Mr. Robert Young has been completely exposed now.

There is nowhere you can hide Robbie.

The dream story is coming to an end.
The nightmare story is just beginning.

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This one's for you, Robbie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9gKyRmic20

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Fejes lowers the boom. Sweet.

I was at ATY when Joe ran his 329. Eoin Keith from Ireland ran 300 at the same event. It was bad-assedness of the highest order.

I've got some money to put down on Joe. Or Eoin. Or Ed Ettinghausen. Or Yolanda Holder. Or Martina Hausmann. Or John Geesler. Or David Johnston. Or any of those psychos who do the 3100 mile race in Queens every summer. Or dozens of other very experienced multiday runners who have never had to make up preposterous claims. They just get it done.

Once those people are all done tenderizing RY, I've got some money to put down on myself in any timed run up to six days long.

Lee

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arealpersson wrote:

That's a lot of hours that would have all been out doing what we do best - running instead of cooking up conspiracy theories.

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I'm confused wrote:

Arealpersson must be Schrödinger's cat.
Arealpersson both is and isn't Arealpersson at the same time.

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From my perspective I see Asher posting under an unregistered name - same as me before you say anything. This in itself is enough to cause doubt as to his credibility.

he records some dodgy footage to suit himself, say he ran to meet the van but didn't record any of that approach or even of him attempting to run to the van. If he is such a super detective why not get more footage to back up his claim of even attempting to join this challenge.

Amateur is too small a word. childish is better in terms of this attempt at bringing down this runner

He then records some footage from the garage and claims the RY wasn't there.

then he says OH i'm sorry there is someone there.

then he realises that RY team have got the footage so he quickly releases his before them to attempt to gain some credibility not realising that RY team probably have their request for footage recorded well before he did.

Asher has proven nothing apart from stirring up a hornets nest of speculation and hatred.

I'm sure if anyone of the LR people who have talked the big talk about following this could also go and film a little bit of footage where RY isn't actually in shot. This has no bearing at all and is not true evidence of any kind.

Asher you have been been rumbled NOT RY now give it up and confess to your sins.

Imagine how dumb you will look when all this turn out to be a sham on your part and how all you haters who posted things like "I bet he will stop now" and "He won't finish this and will be injured" etc etc.

Yet he is still going and all the while being watched and scrutinised by Laz your running god who you also take great joy in knocking.

All you so called experts can eat my pantaloons as Bart would say

if Rojo would reply to any of the request to do this that would be valid. He doesn't even enforce his own forum rules as per my earlier post

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JTF wrote:

'Rob said: “I was over 15st and a bit chubby before I started doing this but I’m down to around 12st.'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/138134/surviving-dads-abuse-spurred-me-on-to-run-417-marathons-in-14-months/

Don't forget he was chubby and 15 stones (210 pounds) when he ran his first three marathons in 30 hours, the fastest at 3.19

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curiously interersted wrote:

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areaIpersson wrote:

RY (CHEATER) PROPAGANDA MACHINE IS TURNING AT FULL SPEED

*Andy Persson* [email protected]

- Yeah, but his claims for his first three marathons are unbelievable. Meaning I couldn't do that and no one I know could. But lets say 99.999% of people couldn't but the 0.001%, by some evolutionary hiccup, do have that capability. That would mean in the UK 600 people could. Maybe one of them went out and found they had an unusual capacity for running and recovery and decided to just keep going for the rest of the year covering 373 marathons and ultras in that time.

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Andy, I'll address the issue about his book since I've been the main one posting about that. I won't repeat what I've posted at length elsewhere in this long thread. Below are the links for anyone who wants to reread the issues about the book.

Regarding his claims of running his first 3 marathons ever in a 30-hour period of time and getting progressively FASTER (4:07, 3:28, 3:19):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7362520&thread=7355147#7362520

And my response to CoachKev who disagreed with my post:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7367340&thread=7355147#7367340

But as it turned out there were more problems to his claim in the book regarding his first 3 marathons once his mapmyrun data was discovered. It didn't match. The courses didn't match at all. The witnesses (Eva & Joanna) that allegedly observed these personal marathons could not have been positioned where he claims in the book. And his mapmyrun data clearly states his 4:07 was his "SECOND MARATHON IN A [DAY]," not his first. I explain that here:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7369345&thread=7355147#7369345

Initially, it seemed that every time I fact-checked something RY claimed, it turned up distorted or exaggerated. Although when I rechecked his book regarding what I thought was a contradiction in his backstory about either being (1) a highly-competitive endurance athlete, or (2) couch potato to instant marathoner, I discovered that I had been too influenced my media articles that over-simplified his story. In his book, RY clearly states that his endurance fitness had lapsed for seven years (even though he downplays #1 in the book). I admitted that misunderstanding on my part here (but I don't know how many read that because things get quickly buried in this thread):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=7375158&thread=7355147#7375158

So in summary, as it still stands there are problems and issues reconciling his own mapmyrun data with his own claims in the book. And I do not buy the claim that he ran 4:07, 3:28, 3:19 in that order, on a whim, untrained, in a 30-hour period of time. That's not a rare, exceptional, superhuman thing that is possible as you argue. I don't think you could take an untrained Kalenjin kid in Kenya and pull off a 78-mile stunt like that getting progressively faster.

It is wrong to think RY has faked his entire running career and credentials. And it would be naive to assume everything is truthful as well. Neither position is helpful or productive. Too many on letsrun think everything is a fake. And too many of RY's supporters think everything is absolute truth (and usually based on anecdotal evidence, personality claims, or brief encounters). The truth, I think, is somewhere in the middle, which makes everything open to question until it can be verified.

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Billy jeans wrote:

Personal context on the initial marathon story from a total idiot here. I ran my first marathon on similar prep to Mr Young - a little bit of running, like his parkruns, no long runs.

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Thanks for clearing that up. I think I'm probably done here now though. Have joined ultralist and will post thoughts there. While I appreciate there are people on here wanting to have a grownup conversation, there seem to be far too many kids who are relishing being able to post without being identifiable and this identity theft stuff is doing my head in. The way it's set up over there means there seems to be more considered discussion. And at the end of the day they actually got the guys out there to monitor, rather than ranting non stop about how we'll go out and catch this cheat but never getting out from behind the keyboard.

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Anyone know? wrote:

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RobbyYoung wrote:

Rob managed to do the 20 miles From Effingham to Greenup in about 4hrs. That's a cool 5mph, well above his average of the last few days.

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First 9 miles was in 30 min though.

No one knows why tho.

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Pics of Robert running:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck9MzTNXAAQxaMn.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck9MqvLW0AA0SAy.jpg

RayK says: he DOES run very fast at times - and he is a talented runner.

Suck on that, haters.

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NeuroExpert wrote:

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Anyone know? wrote:

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RobbyYoung wrote:

Rob managed to do the 20 miles From Effingham to Greenup in about 4hrs. That's a cool 5mph, well above his average of the last few days.

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First 9 miles was in 30 min though.

No one knows why tho.

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It's not uncommon to throw down up to 9 miles of strides before starting a 3000 mile long run.

It apparently primes the neuromusular system for the run, but unfortunately also appears to shut down all other high level functions of the brain, including those of your whole crew.

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Why????????????? wrote:

Why would the rules be different for a female?

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