• local SD yokel
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/5/2016 5:11PM - in reply to outsiderunner
      • local SD yokel
      • Healthy net downhill course at the end for the 1/2.
    • Co58
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/5/2016 6:40PM - in reply to outsiderunner
      • Co58
      • outsiderunner wrote:
        Crimea River wrote:
        I once WON a 1/2 in 1:18.And I was only 40. I hung my head for a week.


        outsiderunner wrote:
        Co58 wrote:
        USA Half marathon championships were today. 6 men 50-59 ran sub 1:20. In Letsrun world, THEY SUCK!!! Should be ashamed for even lining up.
        Yes, they suck and are an embarrassment to running! Good one!!
        You old fool. You should have hung it up before making such a shameful display. How could you?
        Actually meant my contribution for the Colorado doping masters thread.

        Sigh, face it, unless we are within 1 minute of the world record for our age guys like fred and the California boys will skewer us and make fun. And then you get trolls saying that we're taking drugs to run these times. And go figure a 2:34 marathon for 40 years old is now 'average' while high school runners going 4:01 to 4:05 for the mile are just not up today's standards. A 3:58 is a disappointment.

        Anyway, congrats to Shalane Flanagan for a very fast half marathon. And congrats to the 50+ half marathoners.
    • Crimea River
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/5/2016 6:44PM - in reply to Co58
      • Crimea River
      • The internet has reinvented running: run super-fast and you are doping; run believably fast and you are washed up. It's a flawless arrangement.
    • Some just might
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/5/2016 7:19PM - in reply to outsiderunner
      • Some just might
      • outsiderunner wrote:
        8FE wrote:
        [quote]Twinn wrote:
        After her big 2008 season

        http://www.marathonandbeyond.c...es2010.pdf (page 114)[quote]Grand Teton wrote:
        I agree. Who gets their thyroid "checked and fixed" after a big season???
        Can anyone name a runner--just one--that has zero marks against him/her--no TUEs, no transfusions or "injections," or creams, gels, gummies, alleged microdosing, or GNC-purchased steriod? Is there even one such person? One with no dark cloud of gossip or suspicion? One?
        Desiree Linden and Jared Ward
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    • ojo
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/5/2016 7:27PM - in reply to Some just might
      • ojo
      • Some just might wrote:
        outsiderunner wrote:
        8FE wrote:
        [quote]Twinn wrote:
        After her big 2008 season

        http://www.marathonandbeyond.c...es2010.pdf (page 114)[quote]Grand Teton wrote:
        I agree. Who gets their thyroid "checked and fixed" after a big season???
        Can anyone name a runner--just one--that has zero marks against him/her--no TUEs, no transfusions or "injections," or creams, gels, gummies, alleged microdosing, or GNC-purchased steriod? Is there even one such person? One with no dark cloud of gossip or suspicion? One?
        Desiree Linden and Jared Ward
        Ben True. Nick Willis.
    • socal cush
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      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/5/2016 9:30PM - in reply to s. true
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      • i have absolutely no proof or insider info, but i'd bet manzano's clean.

        also, as a california boy, am i supposed to skewer someone?

        finally, even with the net downhill, i don't think it's a lightning fast course (not that i'd argue this should be a record-legal course either), but i've only run three 1/2 courses, so not much to go on.

        that's all i've got for unsolicited and mostly ungrounded opinions for the day...
    • outsiderunner
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      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 12:30PM - in reply to socal cush
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      • Thanks for the input, social cush...

        Glad that you did not skewer any of us old/slow guys.
    • It is kinda sad
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 12:46PM - in reply to Some just might
      • It is kinda sad
      • Some just might wrote:
        outsiderunner wrote:
        8FE wrote:
        [quote]Twinn wrote:
        After her big 2008 season

        http://www.marathonandbeyond.c...es2010.pdf (page 114)[quote]Grand Teton wrote:
        I agree. Who gets their thyroid "checked and fixed" after a big season???
        Can anyone name a runner--just one--that has zero marks against him/her--no TUEs, no transfusions or "injections," or creams, gels, gummies, alleged microdosing, or GNC-purchased steriod? Is there even one such person? One with no dark cloud of gossip or suspicion? One?
        Desiree Linden and Jared Ward
        It is kind of sad that those are the only two of the six Americans that I would bet the farm are clean. The other four all raise questions.
    • pop_pop!_v2.2.1
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 12:59PM - in reply to It is kinda sad
      • pop_pop!_v2.2.1
      • It is kinda sad wrote:
        It is kind of sad that those are the only two of the six Americans that I would bet the farm are clean. The other four all raise questions.
        It's up to the sports federation to bring some transparency to the sport. The IAAF is certainly content with how much doping they enable. USATF follows along, as a national federation should.

        Linden and Ward are the two most plausibly clean athletes.
    • Crimea River
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 2:54PM - in reply to pop_pop!_v2.2.1
      • Crimea River
      • In part because they run at a level consistent with 70s and 80s performances.

        pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

        Linden and Ward are the two most plausibly clean athletes.
    • It is kinda sad
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 9:33PM - in reply to outsiderunner
      • It is kinda sad
      • outsiderunner wrote:
        What is questionable about Cragg?
        I hope nothing. I'm just not willing to bet the house on her based on what I know about SOME of the BTC athletes.
    • list of clean runners
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 10:16PM - in reply to It is kinda sad
      • list of clean runners
      • I would bet 1,000$ on each of these athletes being clean:

        Men:
        Mead
        Blankenship
        Symmonds
        True
        Loxsom
        Sowinski
        Solomon
        Jock
        Mulder
        Ward
        Berian
        Wheating
        Jager
        Meb
    • 66% correct
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 10:44PM - in reply to list of clean runners
      • 66% correct
      • I know of at least 3 that you would lose on. Perception is however reality. Enjoy the sport and I won't mess it up for you.
    • Humble bragger
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/6/2016 11:12PM - in reply to 66% correct
      • Humble bragger
      • 66% correct wrote:
        I know of at least 3 that you would lose on. Perception is however reality. Enjoy the sport and I won't mess it up for you.
        Like who?
    • You-better-not-bet
      • RE: Flanagan 67:50 in San Diego Half Marathon 6/7/2016 4:26AM - in reply to list of clean runners
      • You-better-not-bet
      • I know You would lose $4000 for sure. But you are not suppose to worry about who is clean or not. We all know the playing field is not level at the top so just enjoy the sport and the competition. And let athletes do what they want and what they can afford at their own risk. If you have money to buy drugs great if not too bad for you. If you have a manager that can cover for you great, if not and you get caught sorry. If you have a good connection and you are protected to get away with anything, good for you and if you get busted because you make one of them mad and you refuse to throw a kickback you are out of luck. I dont care what they do, all I care about is that they give me a good show and entertain me.
        THATS WHAT DIACK WANTED and cared about too remember.
        You better not bet.