OK girls what say you about competing against this Semenya person (girl)?

Yeah, I don't see why we should be banning people from the sport for things they can help when there is a perfectly reasonable solution that would level the playing field.

It's pretty disgusting the way that Semenya gets treated, after all it is not her fault she is intersex, and to have that saga get played out on the world stage when she was just a teenager must have been horrific.

I can only say I hope that the angry white men posting on this thread get to experience something just as humiliating in their lives.

Le veritable wrote:

Yeah, I don't see why we should be banning people from the sport for things they can help

Shut up, you fvcking libturd. He can run in the male category like all other men.

What's disgusting is that Semenya gets to snicker into her armpit at a ruinous legal judgement that allows her to compete as a man against women. The judgement steals from all female athletes, it steals from great runners like Eunice Sum, Agee Wilson, Melissa Bishop, Alysia Montano and others, who have worked for years developing their talent and rising to the highest level of their event. Now, their effort has been negated by a bunch of plutocrats from castle in Switzerland. Now Semenya runs wide in the 2nd lane on every turn of every race and still crushes the field in the homestretch, in a manner that wasn't possible even just last year, prior to the CAS's ruling.

Semenya is maximizing an unfair advantage she's been given. She has no qualms about destroying, crushing, or taking from her fellow competitors. Her actions convey a self-interest over everything. She's a physical freak, yes, but she's also a moral cretin.

chilhowee wrote:

What's disgusting is that Semenya gets to snicker into her armpit at a ruinous legal judgement that allows her to compete as a man against women.

She's not a man, she's a woman. If the rumors are true, then she is probably intersex but she is still closer to a woman than she is to a man. So please have the decency to call her by her correct gender.

That being said, it is completely unfair to women who are not intersex to allow Caster to compete. It's not right at all. Yes, it sucks for Caster that she cannot compete against 100% women and she is too slow to compete against men, but hey, life isn't always fair.

Chick wrote:

It's an unfortunate situation for Semenya, but I do believe she should be banned from women's events.

He's the one who's running in women's events and he knows what he's doing.

Him doing so is unfortunate for the women.

100 percent wrote:

She's not a man, she's a woman. If the rumors are true, then she is probably intersex but she is still closer to a woman than she is to a man. So please have the decency to call her by her correct gender.

No, he is NOT a woman.

His testosterone levels are the same as a man's, and far higher than a woman's.

And he is genetically not a woman.

Strongsad wrote:

Is there any evidence niyonsaba is actually hyperandrogenistic or is she just getting categorized?

Here she is in 2012 London, and 2016 Portland. She looks exactly the same as the other girls.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/russias-mariya-savinova-and-burundis-francine-niyonsaba-news-photo/150054303

You can Google more photos of her, but it's mainly her face that makes her look manly, but I'm not convinced that isn't something cultural.

To contrast, look at photos of semenya and see the difference. You can see differences in the Abs, biceps, shoulders, and even pecs.

Looking buff isn't the only sign of being hyperandrogenistic. But I'd wanna see more evidence before we accuse someone of something.

yo 100%

I'm not interested in debating definitions with you. Semenya may lack a penis but she's got internal testes, which give her male levels of testosterone and an overmuscled, male physique. Last year, prior the CAS ruling, Semenya could not dominate in the way she does now. She is reaping the ludicrous benefits of profoundly out-of-touch legal decision, a decision that lets her take prize money from legitimate female athletes in Diamond League races. Before the CAS's ruling, when she was on the IAAF's medicated regime, she was good but not dominant. Now she crushes the world's best female 800 runners and then want to shake hands and pretend things are "normal." She's a thief. And a clown (And a man.)

If you actually did your homework you would realize the mistake.

First of all Caster has Male sex organs, no ovaries, no womb, high testosterone. This person does not have female hormone cycles, has not developed birthing hips, breasts, or anything resembling a female phenotype.

It is hilarious watching Pretty 800 Runners like Ajee Wilson, Melissa Bishop, Laura Roesler, etc. etc. etc. getting crushed by 3, 4, 5, 6, 7... seconds in a 2 lap race by some dude... THE INHERENT IDIOCY OF LIBERALISM ON FULL DISPLAY.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. You can not compare Semenya and the way she was born to a f@cking cheater who lies, steals, and pretty much ruins the essence of the sport by gaining an unfair advantage over athletes. She had no choice in the matter. Cheaters do.

Flyin Phil wrote:

I was watching the Caster in the Rome Diamond League last night with my 10 year old daughter. After Caster won she asked me, "Why is that man running in the women's race?" She had never seen him/her before and I had never discussed this with her.

Oh you poor thing you had to be a parent and explain to your daughter that not everyone is born the same. I just don't know how you managed.

Kawaii Strides wrote:

I think all athletes should have their hormone levels tested in addition to doping tests. That way if a female (or male) has some kind of condition that gives them an unfair advantage, they can be prescribed an anti androgen to set their hormone levels at a fair range before they can compete. This would also solve the transgender issue as males that go under hormone treatment and reside at normal female levels will lose the advantage they did have as a biological male and thus be fair to compete against as transgender women. With everyone having an equal range in hormone levels (similar to being clean with doping) the competition would be fair and I honestly wouldn't mind competing against someone like Semenya or another biological anomaly as long as they get tested like everyone else should.

Well said. Thanks for this post I think something needs to be done to even things out and I am sure they will start to go that route in the future. And you don't have to use the term 'genetic anomaly'. We prefer the term mutant.

MUTANT AND PROUD!

Semenya hasn't got any female in him. He's got a malformed penis, nothing but a birth defect. It's no different from people with a cleft palate.

Has anyone tried handing Caster a basketball? If she has any skill at all wouldnt she make better money plaging ball somewhere? Or is Athletics the only sport dumb enough to let her compete against women?

chilhowee wrote:

yo 100%

I'm not interested in debating definitions with you. Semenya may lack a penis but she's got internal testes, which give her male levels of testosterone and an overmuscled, male physique. Last year, prior the CAS ruling, Semenya could not dominate in the way she does now. She is reaping the ludicrous benefits of profoundly out-of-touch legal decision, a decision that lets her take prize money from legitimate female athletes in Diamond League races. Before the CAS's ruling, when she was on the IAAF's medicated regime, she was good but not dominant. Now she crushes the world's best female 800 runners and then want to shake hands and pretend things are "normal." She's a thief. And a clown (And a man.)

So restore the CAS ruling that she needed to get hormone treatment. That seemed to resolve the advantage that she had.

Otherwise, the very nature of the issue is going to be all about definitions, seeing as Semenya very obviously is interest, and there very obviously, as a result, have to be a dividing line drawn somewhere.

If she can compete without the advantage as a women, then who's interest does it serve exactly to force her to compete as a man?

Semenya, Wambui, Asok... Do not affect my life. She is still slower than all the men.

If women have a problem with someone having a genetic problem competing against them, they should speak out and make a case. Otherwise, it's not my problem.

Hoity wrote:

You can not compare Semenya and the way she was born to a f@cking cheater who lies, steals, and pretty much ruins the essence of the sport by gaining an unfair advantage over athletes. She had no choice in the matter. Cheaters do.

So a guy who jumps in women's events and steals their competition from them is not cheating? Of course he has a choice in the matter, he can run in MEN'S events, and stay OUT of the women's. He has complete choice of what he is doing, the same that any other man does. Your post is the dumb one.

Caster, he's a swindler wrote:

Semenya hasn't got any female in him. He's got a malformed penis, nothing but a birth defect. It's no different from people with a cleft palate.

This is speculation. WE DONT KNOW what caster's condition is! The information hasn't been released!! But she's obviously of XX chromosome, otherwise the IOC wouldn't even entertain the idea of possibly allowing her to compete.

Regarding her anatomy: none of you know what she has. No actual information has been released, just speculation. So stop gossiping misinformation like a bunch of old queens.