Don't go too hard on workouts? El Guerrouj says he ran until he was sick.

What kind of doctor conducts "blood and lab tests" without actually being a haematologist? You either sound like some idiotic nurse practitioner or some guy who took a biology course in undergrad.

Athletics-related blood tests and research are performed by haematologists.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11984308

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15523206

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8741490

http://www.hematology.org/Thehematologist/President/1070.aspx

http://www.uco.es/organiza/departamentos/anatomia-y-anat-patologica/peques/master/lolarubio/hematologyandbiochemistryhorsesaltitude.pdf

go easy on recovery days, and as hard as you can if thats what the workout requires. don't make every workout at that pace, but you should be really tired after them.

Can't understand all the fuss this post has provoked. Surely, all serious track athletes have had sessions that ended in being unable to stand up/puking/feeling pretty rough for several hours afterwards? Nobody trains like this all the time but the occasional session, usually just before the track racing gets really serious, is pretty common? Physiologically it might not be necessary or even the correct thing to do but that's not the point. You are trying to condition the mind, train the mind to over rule the body so that when the body starts to ask you to slow down the mind takes over and the body is conditioned to respond to the dictates of the mind.

Peter Coe made the point very well; over training is not pushing too hard in any one session but not allowing for sufficient recovery between these very hard sessions.

formerD1 wrote:

What kind of doctor conducts "blood and lab tests" without actually being a haematologist? You either sound like some idiotic nurse practitioner or some guy who took a biology course in undergrad.

Athletics-related blood tests and research are performed by haematologists.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11984308http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15523206http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8741490http://www.hematology.org/Thehematologist/President/1070.aspxhttp://www.uco.es/organiza/departamentos/anatomia-y-anat-patologica/peques/master/lolarubio/hematologyandbiochemistryhorsesaltitude.pdf

Are you serious former D1?

You sound like a very uneducated person.

Hematologists are specialists in blood disorders.

All kinds of other doctors do lots of blood and lab tests, CT scans, MRIs, etc. on all kinds of people.

Do you think doctors that are in internal medicine, family practice, endocrinology, cardiology, neurology, and other fields of medicine never do blood tests, urine tests, or MRIs on their patients?

If you think that is true then you are wrong.

You are also a complete idiot.

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rjm33 wrote:

Are you serious former D1?

You sound like a very uneducated person.

Hematologists are specialists in blood disorders.

All kinds of other doctors do lots of blood and lab tests, CT scans, MRIs, etc. on all kinds of people.

Do you think doctors that are in internal medicine, family practice, endocrinology, cardiology, neurology, and other fields of medicine never do blood tests, urine tests, or MRIs on their patients?

If you think that is true then you are wrong.

You are also a complete idiot.

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You moron. Your answer was completely non-responsive. I said specifically, doctors who perform haematological studies on athletes (lactate / iron levels / other performance metrics) are haematologists.

If you worked in an actual hospital or had your own practice, you would realize that the other types of practioners that you specified (internal medicine, family practice, cardiology) do NOT and will NOT analyse your blood OR conduct tests or experiments on your blood. They may employ nurses that are able to draw your blood, but those samples will still ALWAYS be shipped to a proper haematological lab with actual haematologists who will perform the blood analysis. Based on the blood analysis the internal medicine or other doctor may prescribe a course of treatment. The point remains, that the actual analysis of the blood samples are done by haematologists, and the other doctors can draw conclusions based on those results, but the results are produced by haematologists.

What YOU stated was that YOU conducted blood tests and experiments. You are a liar and an idiot who has no idea how real life doctors operate.

rjm33 wrote:

Do you think doctors that are in internal medicine, family practice, endocrinology, cardiology, neurology, and other fields of medicine never do blood tests, urine tests, or MRIs on their patients?

These other types of doctors may ORDER blood tests, urine tests, or MRIs, but if you have actually ever visited a hospital to do these sorts of tests, you would know very quickly that they actually refer you elsewhere to get these tests done. If you're at a big university hospital, they send you to another department to get these specialized tests and once these general practitioners refer you elsewhere, you are done with that general practitioner and are now in the hands of the specialist.

Blood tests -> haematologist

Urine tests -> urologist

MRIs -> radiologist

General practitioners have no expertise in the above, and won't even have the extensive equipment, funding or staffing required to conduct any of the above specialized testing.

This is besides the point - I just wanted to prove you wrong.

The real interesting thing about your posts, and where you truly "jumped the shark", is that in reality the only types of MDs who are performing "blood tests" on a line of eager athletes waiting to be experimented on are those with a massive amount of funding and of some renown. Most doctors are too busy actual practising their craft on sick paying patients, not to mention the lack of eager athletes waiting to have their blood drawn in controlled laboratory settings for experimentation.

Since you are most likely not some famous research doctor at an Ivy League hospital, this leads me to the simple conclusion that you are obviously either a sports therapist or chiropractor, given your clear misunderstanding of how the practice of medicine actually works.

If you don't believe me, go to an internal medicine or other general practitioner and ask him for a full blood work. Chances are he'll refer you elsewhere, but if he does draw your blood, ask him to process it right there. He'll laugh and tell you he's shipping it off to someplace like Quest Diagnostics.

You are still incorrect. All doctors including hematologists order the tests which are then done at the lab. The actual lab tests are performed by lab technicians under the supervision of lab directors. The lab directors are often people with PHDs, but are not hematologists. The lab results are not produced by hematologists. You are wrong. Hematologists do not perform the lab tests that they order from the lab either. All the doctors get the results back from the lab and interpret the lab test results.

There are also some simple lab tests that can actually be performed in the doctor's office, such as a rapid test for Strep infections or glucose levels for example.

It has been fun having you call me a moron, a liar, and an idiot. Bravo.

Now here is a question for you since you are such a smarty pants:

If a person had an anterior lobe pituitary tumor, what is the medical name of the classic visual field defect which may be seen on physical exam?

I am waiting for your answer D1. I will give you 3 minutes to try to google the answer starting now. You may want to call ukathleticscoach for help.

Ready. Set. Go D1!!!

Of course I do not have a complete lab to do blood tests or an MRI in my office. That would be impossible (and very expensive!!!). I just order and interpret lab tests like all the other doctors, and a radiologist would perform and interpret any MRI that is ordered. Of course I am not performing the actual lab test that is performed at the lab.

Quest is also one of the labs that I use to do blood tests and lab tests.

Your time is up D1.

The answer is:

bilateral homonymous hemianopsia

Why don't you know the answer smarty pants?

I think it has to do with psychological energy as much as anything. Most people can't go balls to the wall twice in a week and then give everything in a race a few days later. I knew I had limited psychological energy and usually ran well within myself on workouts, which I think allowed me to really psych myself up and then run pretty much to the best of my ability in most races. I've seen a lot of people be workout heroes and completely tank on a regular basis in races. But for truly exceptional athletes like El G, the conventional wisdom applicable to the rest of us may not apply.

Sunken Chest wrote:

Being ElG, I don't really believe anything he says. The implication is that he was sick always or often. I have very occasionally been nauseous after a hard track session: I could say I used to run until I was sick. He likely trained just as hard as any elite, that's all.

I agree the point is this site pushes staying relaxed and feeling comfortable and that's simply not how most elites train. I@f they do look relaxed its purely because they are so fit and whatever you throw at them they maintain composure

After reading some lightweight 300m for 800m training on here I posted on a FB group which has former international runners on. Needless to say their sessions would ake your eyes water. If I can find it I'll put some up nut for example 4 x 400m in 47/8 with long recoveries from guys with a 46 or even 47 pb

I never felt sick myself would need to lie down after some sessions. I do think I paced some sessions wrong but that was from having too long a recovery

rjm33 wrote:

Your time is up D1.

The answer is:

bilateral homonymous hemianopsia

Why don't you know the answer smarty pants?

I think I will refer to my original comment about your habit of using medical terminology unrelated to the discussion at hand to appear smart is narcissistic, childish and quite embarrassing. I'm glad you aren't my doctor.

rjm33 wrote:

I am a doctor who has done lots of blood and lab tests over the last 26 years for many people, including some runners you have heard of…or maybe even seen on TV. It is fun.

rjm33 wrote:

Of course I do not have a complete lab to do blood tests or an MRI in my office. That would be impossible (and very expensive!!!). I just order and interpret lab tests like all the other doctors. Of course I am not performing the actual lab test that is performed at the lab.

So you don't actually do the blood or lab tests...OK then. You're just some general practitioning prole that sees a few athletes? Great. What an expert we have on our hands.

By the way, hematologists often have a blood lab in their clinic. All it takes is a nurse to draw your blood and deposit the sample into a machine that gives you a standard blood analysis in about 10 seconds. The whole blood draw to the printout process takes about 1 minute. Too bad your medical office can't afford one.

formerD1 wrote:

So you don't actually do the blood or lab tests...OK then. You're just some general practitioning prole that sees a few athletes? Great. What an expert we have on our hands.

By the way, hematologists often have a blood lab in their clinic. All it takes is a nurse to draw your blood and deposit the sample into a machine that gives you a standard blood analysis in about 10 seconds. The whole blood draw to the printout process takes about 1 minute. Too bad your medical office can't afford one.

I forgot; where did you go to medical school?

Reposting.

formerD1 wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

I am a doctor who has done lots of blood and lab tests over the last 26 years for many people, including some runners you have heard of…or maybe even seen on TV. It is fun.

rjm33 wrote:

Of course I do not have a complete lab to do blood tests or an MRI in my office. That would be impossible (and very expensive!!!). I just order and interpret lab tests like all the other doctors. Of course I am not performing the actual lab test that is performed at the lab.

So you don't actually do the blood or lab tests...OK then. You're just some general practitioning prole that sees a few athletes? Great. What an expert we have on our hands.

rjm33's initial premise was that he was some sort of expert on the subject of elite running because of his 20+ years' experience conducting medical research on elite athletes. He specifically said "I am a doctor who has done lots of blood and lab tests over the last 26 years"

The really sad thing is, a real doctor would never claim to perform "lots of blood and lab tests". This is because very very few MDs actually work in a laboratory conducting "blood and lab tests" - the reason being that unless you are a MD/PhD working as a researcher for either a university hospital or big Pharma, the pay is crap. rjm33 in all his delusional fantasy claimed to be one of them. I quote again, "I am a doctor who has done lots of blood and lab tests over the last 26 years."

Then, he realizes how ludicrous of a claim that was, and retracts his statement by saying he simply "orders" blood and lab tests like other doctors. So he suddenly transitions from being "elite athlete research doctor" to "[blah blah] general practitioner", who can't even afford a $50K blood analysing devise for his office, which makes me wonder what kind of practice he is actually running. For someone who is conducting "lots of blood and lab tests", you certainly would want to have a simple $50K device in your office so you don't have to send samples out to Quest everyday (which is a minimum 3 day turnaround). Why do this when you can better service your patients with on the spot results?

And then he goes on to comically post some utterly irrelevant fact about brain tumors. That's akin to an M&A lawyer trying to impress people by citing some obscure immigration law in the state of Idaho.

I stand by my claim - the man is clearly not a doctor, if he even is a man.

What a crock.

Why are you 'testing' us? I never claimed to be a doctor! Only one poster here claimed to be a doctor, you posted the test before he piped up and I don't give a shit if he is one either. Knowing about brain tumors or whatever else is extremely off topic and just proves what an arse you are; you just try and prove you are 'smarter' than everyone by posting random medical terminology.

Nobody else says 'if you lot think you are so smart, answer this: [insert random question from personal career]'. I could ask you a bunch of stuff from science/engineering fields you'd have no idea about, doc, doesn't make me smarter than you either.

For the record, you did claim to have tested 'athletes we may have heard of/seen on TV' (cannot be arsed to find your actual post). I call BS even though it's an empty statement that adds no value to your credibility even if true.

You being a doctor and having carried out simple blood tests does not make you an expert on the subject of this thread. Go away.

Can you please link the interview?