I don't think its really about throwing up its more about putting the hard effort in. Of course you don't want to be eyeballs out every session and the reps should be consistent time wise
I noticed in a group of recrialtional runners I coach that some with be chatting inbetween reps liek they were down the pub. I was really surprised at first as the runners i knew would never exchange much more than grunts or the odd word or joke on some sessions
rjm33 wrote:
This troll thread has now gone horribly wrong…with people now taking it seriously like you. Now you are telling us how your best races are easy…and you are invincible…and floating…like effin superman..
Wake up!!!
You have posted again while dreaming because of the Ambien (Zolpidem) you have been taking.
Please do not include the forum in your invincible, floating, superman running dreams.
Thank you.
Keychain go jangalang wrote:You must not race much. The best races are easy. You feel invincible, floating like effin superman.
You know, you aren't clever because you throw in little hints into posts that you have an understanding of pharmacology. Naming random sedatives to say 'look at me, I'm so clever' is extremely childish and has now made me think you must be a student and not a haemotologist or doctor at all. Maybe with a splash of NPD also.
glacius wrote:
More like workouts are easier than races that's why Salazer CAN give his athletes workouts after a race. I don't see him giving workouts BEFORE a race, that's because the race is harder.
Wow... Just WOW
Got a genius here wrote:
glacius wrote:More like workouts are easier than races that's why Salazer CAN give his athletes workouts after a race. I don't see him giving workouts BEFORE a race, that's because the race is harder.
Wow... Just WOW
Not really. Most of their post race workouts are early season. Most of those races are slow and strategical. They are only really recovering from the last 400-800 meters. So they can wait like 30 min and put in a decent distance workout. But they couldn't run their pr and run those workouts well.
This thread contains an outstanding selection of letsrun's best retards.
glacius wrote:
kimani wrote:I don't mean to be rude, but have you trained at a high level? Everyone in my training group (sprinters/hurdlers) in college puked or tried to puke after various workouts. For some it was hill workouts, for others speed endurance, for others working 400 pace. I now train for distance and have been dry-heaving after a few 5k pace workouts. As people above have stated, running a total of 3 miles at mile pace, or 1200 meters at 400m pace, or 8k at 5k pace, etc., albeit with rest, is very taxing, and without the adrenaline that comes into play on race day, makes the workout absolute hell.
No, I'm a new runner in base phase last 12 months, I do races twice a month and a tempo run once a week. When I do a tempo run I run hard and I lay on the floor afterwards in exhaustion. At the end of my best 5K race it feels way more painful than a workout because I'm trying my absolute best effort. The thing is a high level of training just means you can run at an even higher level in a race, that's why we do the training!
What someone said about runners only running as fast as they need to in order to win makes sense but this guy set a WR and didn't puke!
webby wrote:
Glacius, a simple example just to make it crystal clear:
A miler might run a workout that includes a mile all out, 10 minutes rest, an 800 all out, 10 minutes rest, a 400 all out . . .
That's one example. I'm sure you can work out lots of others now.
Adding volume doesn't make the workout harder then the race because lower volume = faster pace. That's why a 400m run can be as hard as a marathon. The only thing I can think of harder than a race effort is the exact same race effort again after a little rest but then you're not going to run as fast because of the energy you used in the race..... oh wait I think I get it now, workouts are harder because the effort level is the same even though the pace gets slower?
I realize you think you know a lot about training even though you are new to running but I want to point out one mistake you are making.
If you are exhausted at the end of your tempo run, IT WASN"T A TEMPO RUN.
Your welcome
formerD1 wrote:
p.s. Since it seems they didn't teach reading comprehension at your community college (is that even D4?), I mentioned several times that I stopped running the 800m in college and became a distance guy.
Did you take a reading comprehension class at your school?
to the new runner wrote:
glacius wrote:No, I'm a new runner in base phase last 12 months, I do races twice a month and a tempo run once a week. When I do a tempo run I run hard and I lay on the floor afterwards in exhaustion. At the end of my best 5K race it feels way more painful than a workout because I'm trying my absolute best effort. The thing is a high level of training just means you can run at an even higher level in a race, that's why we do the training!
What someone said about runners only running as fast as they need to in order to win makes sense but this guy set a WR and didn't puke!
Adding volume doesn't make the workout harder then the race because lower volume = faster pace. That's why a 400m run can be as hard as a marathon. The only thing I can think of harder than a race effort is the exact same race effort again after a little rest but then you're not going to run as fast because of the energy you used in the race..... oh wait I think I get it now, workouts are harder because the effort level is the same even though the pace gets slower?
I realize you think you know a lot about training even though you are new to running but I want to point out one mistake you are making.
If you are exhausted at the end of your tempo run, IT WASN"T A TEMPO RUN.
Your welcome
I don't know much, I'm only saying what I think I know and I'm open to be corrected. You are right it wasn't a tempo run cause I ran too hard. So what are the workouts called that El g did that caused him to throw up and train like he lost his mind?
Agreed. These are the threads that make me consider not returning to this website.
kinda shocked wrote:
This thread contains an outstanding selection of letsrun's best retards.
You fit in nicely.
Glaciud wrote:
to the new runner wrote:I realize you think you know a lot about training even though you are new to running but I want to point out one mistake you are making.
If you are exhausted at the end of your tempo run, IT WASN"T A TEMPO RUN.
Your welcome
I don't know much, I'm only saying what I think I know and I'm open to be corrected. You are right it wasn't a tempo run cause I ran too hard. So what are the workouts called that El g did that caused him to throw up and train like he lost his mind?
Those were probably speed sessions. That is where the runner runs for shorter distances, maybe 200 or 400m (maybe longer) takes a rest and then runs them again. They are at a very fast pace and by the end of the workout the runner is wore out.
Try one sometime and you might understand better what people are trying to tell you.
Metric Miler wrote:
rjm33 wrote:This troll thread has now gone horribly wrong…with people now taking it seriously like you. Now you are telling us how your best races are easy…and you are invincible…and floating…like effin superman..
Wake up!!!
You have posted again while dreaming because of the Ambien (Zolpidem) you have been taking.
Please do not include the forum in your invincible, floating, superman running dreams.
Thank you.
You know, you aren't clever because you throw in little hints into posts that you have an understanding of pharmacology. Naming random sedatives to say 'look at me, I'm so clever' is extremely childish and has now made me think you must be a student and not a haemotologist or doctor at all. Maybe with a splash of NPD also.
Well, maybe I think it is clever. Please do not get upset just because you can't do it.
Oh boy Metric Miler. You really did not do very well with your response here. You might want to check your SPELLING. You spelled the word as HAEMOTOLOGIST.
Please try again.
I am not a hematologist (or haematologist).
I never said that I was. I am a doctor who has done lots of blood and lab tests over the last 26 years for many people, including some runners you have heard of…or maybe even seen on TV. It is fun.
My guess is that you are not a doctor.
Just a personal opinion Metric Miler.
Maybe you are depressed and your SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) like Prozac (fluoxetine) is not working so well. Maybe you should try something a little more 'perky'. They are looking at some new things in London:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/magic-mushroom-drug-lifts-depression-in-human-trial1/Maybe you could get in a future clinical trial. Of course with your luck... you will end up in the placebo group with rekrunner and Jon Orange.
Oh well.
rjm33 wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:You know, you aren't clever because you throw in little hints into posts that you have an understanding of pharmacology. Naming random sedatives to say 'look at me, I'm so clever' is extremely childish and has now made me think you must be a student and not a haemotologist or doctor at all. Maybe with a splash of NPD also.
Well, maybe I think it is clever. Please do not get upset just because you can't do it.
Oh boy Metric Miler. You really did not do very well with your response here. You might want to check your SPELLING. You spelled the word as HAEMOTOLOGIST.
Please try again.
I am not a hematologist (or haematologist).
I never said that I was. I am a doctor who has done lots of blood and lab tests over the last 26 years for many people, including some runners you have heard of…or maybe even seen on TV. It is fun.
My guess is that you are not a doctor.
Just a personal opinion Metric Miler.
Maybe you are depressed and your SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) like Prozac (fluoxetine) is not working so well. Maybe you should try something a little more 'perky'. They are looking at some new things in London:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/magic-mushroom-drug-lifts-depression-in-human-trial1/Maybe you could get in a future clinical trial. Of course with your luck... you will end up in the placebo group with rekrunner and Jon Orange.
Oh well.
Haemotologist is a perfectly acceptable spelling in British (English) English.
Your behaviour of mentioning unrelated medical disorders, medicines and using long medical terms to appear clever is incredibly childish and shows a big hint towards NPD. I don't sit here making random scientific references to seem smart. I'm not a doctor, no. But medicines are chemistry and I know a thing or two.
Doctor or not, you are an idiot.
It doesn't matter whether he trained so hard that he got sick or didn't. What matters was that he was able to train so hard so consistently. This, my disbelievers, is a direct result of drugs. Multiple drugs, used generously and without repercussion. EPO was only the tip of the iceberg. You can actually note changes in El G's physique and physiognomy over his career, not merely caused by maturation and accumulative training. He was clearly a moderate if not high HGH user for recovery (don't forget how many times this guy broke 3:30, flying all over the place). Remember his braces? His late-career asthma? Murmurs that he almost died of a clot from excessive EPO?
The Moroccan Athletics Federation treated this guy like both prince and science project, doping others just to train with him and rabbit him, protecting him at all costs and instructing him to appease the higher-ups (remember El G parading around with a ribbon to signal he was against doping?)
I enjoy watching the man race as much as anybody, but he was clearly on a sophisticated cocktail of EPO, HGH, insulin, testosterone and cortisone, to name just five. Sadly they recognized his talent from a young age, and likely convinced him doping would make him the greatest ever. It was an era where everybody was doing it, however, so at least they could justify it. That said, I'd wager El G had the most hands-on Federation-sponsored doping regimen of any T&F athlete at the time. Clearly a sight to behold!
The effects of hgh are certainly visible
It would seem reasonable to surmise he was on a cocktail of peds similar to lance armstrongs regimen
With hindsight it appears that all morrocan athletes dope
Hey Metric Miler. Here are some more ideas you can use in your responses from a previous post.
rjm33 wrote:
Come on!! It is fun!!
Here are some things people have called me on the forum:
1) a lunatic
2) a liar
3) insane
4) a psychotic with "messianic","save the world", and "reveal the truth" themes.
5) armchair analyst
6) blood doctor
7) an idiot
8) a moron
9) a MoRan
10) mentally deficient (by trollism within the last 48 hours)…... Oh boy.
11) mentally retarded
12) a conspiracy theorist (I also agree with #12)
13) a piece of sh*t who should go f*ck himself
14) fred
15) a sock puppet
16) an internet weirdo
17) various combinations of #1 to #16
So not really a bad week.
I am sure you will have lots of fun here. Everyone is very friendly.
Update:
18) a jibbering idiot (by trollism within last 24 hours…pattern developing)
Please be creative. You can also use as many combinations as you want of #1 to #18 and make up new ones as well.
OK?
1991-2005
8 consecutive world titles doped to the eyeballs
Jibbering idiot is bang on.
Once again, you are incorrect Metric Miler.
Here is what you just said:
Haemotologist is a perfectly acceptable spelling in British (English) English.
Your behaviour of mentioning unrelated medical disorders, medicines and using long medical terms to appear clever is incredibly childish and shows a big hint towards NPD. I don't sit here making random scientific references to seem smart. I'm not a doctor, no. But medicines are chemistry and I know a thing or two.
Doctor or not, you are an idiot.
Look at your spelling of the word Metric Miler. Now look at this:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/words/?q=haemotologist
Please try again Mr. Smarty Pants.
Who looks like an idiot now Metric Miler?
People with the least knowledge always think that they are smarter than everyone else.
You do not even know how to spell the word and then you argue that your spelling is correct.
Your spelling is not correct in the United States. Your spelling is also not correct in Britain or anywhere on this planet.
In conclusion: You are incorrect again Metric Miler.
Not a shocker.
Yes I meant haematologist. A small typo. Happy?
Your grammar is appalling so I wouldn't be calling the kettle black.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!