Bowerman Mile Pacers Should Be Shot!!!!

>>I don't think that distance running needs these aided time trials; in fact, I think that they've generally hurt the sport. To anyone who is not already inured to this practice, it's bizarre to watch races in which the leaders for most of the race aren't actually competing in the race, and where race leaders routinely and lackadaisically quit when they're still in the lead, sometimes by substantial margins.

^^I agree. I also think it makes some big serious races look absolutely silly. I don't like someone altering the dynamics of a race with no intention of ever finishing. Worse, they could really alter the race, like tripping someone when they pull out of the race they never were in to start with.

No pace. Make them race. They are good enough.

Metric Miler wrote:

Come on, be serious. Kiprop can run 3:47 without any help at all.

This was a tactical race and always was going to be tactical, just like last year.

That he can run 3:47 by himself is why it's not a tactical race for him. He doesn't need a tactic, he will win easily no matter what he does.

The reason he decided not to go fast was they upstaged him with all that hype about prep runners 10 seconds slower than him who would be nobodies if they were Kenyans. He's Asbel MF Kiprop and if you want a show from him, he's the star. He probably personally instructed the rabbits to go out slow to avenge the insult. And the prep guy still came in last.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Come on, be serious. Kiprop can run 3:47 without any help at all.

This was a tactical race and always was going to be tactical, just like last year.

That he can run 3:47 by himself is why it's not a tactical race for him. He doesn't need a tactic, he will win easily no matter what he does.

The reason he decided not to go fast was they upstaged him with all that hype about prep runners 10 seconds slower than him who would be nobodies if they were Kenyans. He's Asbel MF Kiprop and if you want a show from him, he's the star. He probably personally instructed the rabbits to go out slow to avenge the insult. And the prep guy still came in last.

I don't think so Bad Wiggins. You are putting way more credit on this high school kid for a decision made by Kiprop. Did Kiprop even know about Drew Hunter?

If he ran 3:47 he wouldn't run away from Iguider and Makhloufi with that. He wants to win without putting in too much effort, like he said in an IAAF interview about not running fast this year, but everyone here completely ignores facts.

I just saw the video and I don't get all the hate on the pacers:

1:55.5 at the 809m is just about 3:50 pace. The athletes really only have themselves to blame if things didn't go their way.

If they didn't follow that pace, then you can only imagine what it would look like if they went 3:45 pace.

Seyta wrote:

Not Ideal wrote:

All the former elite distance runners set their PRs running wire to wire from the front and won the race.

All their records have been broken and left in the dust by guys who, much more intelligently, used pacers.

Rudisha's record is the exception, but he's not really "distance".

And PEDS. (And probably Rudisha too.)

And then he goes off and jogs a 3:29 less than 2 weeks later, dropping Iguider like a bad habit in 3:33. Don't you hate how I'm always right?

If Nike wants a fast mile in Eugene they have to pay him some respect.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I don't think so Bad Wiggins. You are putting way more credit on this high school kid for a decision made by Kiprop. Did Kiprop even know about Drew Hunter?

If he ran 3:47 he wouldn't run away from Iguider and Makhloufi with that. He wants to win without putting in too much effort, like he said in an IAAF interview about not running fast this year, but everyone here completely ignores facts.

And then he goes off and jogs a 3:29 less than 2 weeks later, dropping Iguider like a bad habit in 3:33. Don't you hate how I'm always right?

If Nike wants a fast mile in Eugene they have to pay him some respect.

Sorry Bad Wiggins but you are making some extreme assumptions here. Kiprop did not run the mile tactically in Eugene because of Drew Hunter. The only people that care about Drew Hunter are the ones that post on this forum.

Kiprop does what he wants because he can. In Birmingham he said the conditions were good and he could run fast there. The field only had a couple big names so he wasn't worried about losing. Eugene was different. He clearly was just targeting a win against a field that could very well be the Olympic final.