Incredible.
http://road.cc/content/news/191633-legalise-epo-says-british-anti-doping-advisor-usa-cycling
Good thing the UCI and IOC will put an end to it!!
Incredible.
http://road.cc/content/news/191633-legalise-epo-says-british-anti-doping-advisor-usa-cycling
Good thing the UCI and IOC will put an end to it!!
Meanwhile, the grey-zone users who remain silent continue using just below the testing thresholds, and slightly lower than the maximum allowable limits.
So he wants to redefine the word "cheating" to mean preventing athletes from using potentially harmful drugs?
pop pop! Absolutely amazing!!!
I thought you had linked to a story from the Onion.
My jaw is still on the floor.
Absolutely shocking…when almost nothing is a shock anymore.
It's a British advisor to USA Cycling who has taken this view, not USA Cycling itself. And yes, the story says he chairs a USA Cycling committee but it doesn't say he has persuaded anyone else at USA Cycling to adopt his personal view.
So your headline is wrong.
Old Man Winter wrote:
So he wants to redefine the word "cheating" to mean preventing athletes from using potentially harmful drugs?
I'd like to point out this is THE HEAD OF AN ANTI-DOPING ORGANIZATION TELLING ATHLETES THEY SHOULD DOPE. USA Cycling will not stop them.
It's almost shocking except for the fact the guy that owns USA Cycling was the one behind the USPS doping system has a long history of being okay with doping.
Imagine that. An IOC sports federation promoting doping.
not that hard wrote:
It's a British advisor to USA Cycling who has taken this view, not USA Cycling itself. And yes, the story says he chairs a USA Cycling committee but it doesn't say he has persuaded anyone else at USA Cycling to adopt his personal view.
So your headline is wrong.
Really?
Does the head of Mothers Against Drunk Driving recommend drinking and driving because cars are safer now?
Interesting point. Why are PEDs that are not harmful banned?
Technically he's "chair of the anti-doping committee".
He's actually not telling athletes to dope, but voicing support for a rule change on the basis that EPO and blood transfusions can be safe -- safety of the athletes being one of the 3 considerations for banning substances and methods.
For avoiding any doubt, I would not support this change -- seems "against the spirit".
I thought they already permitted epo and transfusions...
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I thought they already permitted epo and transfusions...
Strangely, with the way the governing bodies are currently controlling PED use, track and field or cycling would be less hypocritical if EPO and blood transfusions were legalized. You could also officially test Canova's opinion that EPO/blood transfusions do not improve performance in elite endurance athletes.
Blah Blah Blah. wrote:
Interesting point. Why are PEDs that are not harmful banned?
There is the spirit of the sport clause. To me EPO and transfusions violate that. They are not things that are readily and cheaply available to all like vitamins. To me it is something that if allowed increases the gap between those at the top who have more resources and those trying to get there.
I'm not even going to touch on whether this guy is right on if EPO or transfusions are harmful.
Just to be sure you know EPO is not safe. Several athletes have died from using it (though it seems to happens less now). There is also a chance that someone using it might be one of the roughly 10% of the population that develops transfusion dependency from using EPO. These people quit producing red blood cells on their own after going on EPO and must have transfusions to survive. It is not a harmless drug.
Blah Blah Blah. wrote:
Interesting point. Why are PEDs that are not harmful banned?
Here's another one for the Brits: Don't talk about doping or we won't bring you to Riohttp://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/british-cycling-warns-riders-speaking-scandals-leaked-email-230255email to British Cycling athletes
with the awesome threat:
This is in response to the positive test of Simon Yates, and scandals over Shane Sutton.
Why would you find this incredible when the current 'war on drugs' approach to PEDs clearly doesn't work at all, and sport has never been clean except in the minds of pollyannas?
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Old Man Winter wrote:So he wants to redefine the word "cheating" to mean preventing athletes from using potentially harmful drugs?
I'd like to point out this is THE HEAD OF AN ANTI-DOPING ORGANIZATION TELLING ATHLETES THEY SHOULD DOPE. USA Cycling will not stop them.
It's almost shocking except for the fact the guy that owns USA Cycling was the one behind the USPS doping system has a long history of being okay with doping.
Imagine that. An IOC sports federation promoting doping.
Let's see...
1) The fellow quoted is NOT the head of an anti-doping agency; he is the chair of an anti-doping committee for national governing body.
2) He is not telling anyone to dope. No where is that quoted. It makes me think of "The Untouchables" where Elliott Ness says he will take a drink if Prohibition is reversed.
3) No one "owns" USA Cycling. It is an organization with a board. Yes, there was a lot of overlap between USPS and USA Cycling at one point.
All that said, I am not sure that USA Cycling can keep the man as the head of its anti-doping committee. Another question: I doubt he just came to this stance. The vetting process leaves a lot to be desired.
I agree that the statements in the article regarding his alleged views are not supported by quotations from the man himself, who has denied the media interpretations:
Well, let's see what he says:
Current regulations set out by the World Anti-doping Agency – which helps fund his research – and the International Olympic Committee have their roots in the 1960s and are out of date, insisted Dr Dimeo, author of A History of Drug Use in Sport: 1876-1976.
He said: “What made sense then is no longer viable, practically or idealistically. We now live in a world of technology, commerce and performance, where drugs could be safely used for recovery and performance if only the rules were relaxed.
“Of course, people will react with dismay. But it is time that we had a proper 21st-century debate on the issue, rather than sticking to what was set in stone almost 60 years ago.â€
On the subject of EPO, use of which was rife in the peloton in the late 1990s and early 2000s and for which riders still test positive today – just this week, the Italian Fabio Taborre was handed a four-year ban for it – he maintained it could be used safely.
“There are some studies which state that low doses of EPO improve cardiac function,†he insisted. “A whole generation of cyclists used a lot of EPO and they have survived to tell the tale.
“If we understood the dosages and the timing of dosages then maybe it would be relatively safe. Would an athlete mind taking a small amount of a drug that has been trialled and medically approved?â€
He also believes that blood transfusions, administered under medical supervision, could help athletes.
Dr Dimeo also backed the introduction of blood transfusions, which boost oxygen-carrying capacity, saying: “It’s safe, of course, because it happens all the time in hospitals. They would help recovery between the stages of a bike race or rounds of a tennis tournament."
Notice that he uses the term…"MAYBE it would be RELATIVELY safe."
Or... maybe it would be relatively not safe.
Let's ask these cyclists what they think about how relatively safe EPO use is:
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/19/us/stamina-building-drug-linked-to-athletes-deaths.html
Yea…real safe….Ha Ha Ha.
Dr. Dimeo is a total dimwit.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Incredible.
http://road.cc/content/news/191633-legalise-epo-says-british-anti-doping-advisor-usa-cyclingGood thing the UCI and IOC will put an end to it!!
Not one of the quotes or the responses was from "USA Cycling" and that man is British. I am sure that most pro cyclists dope and certainly the successful British ones do. But that article has NOTHING to do with USA Cycling.
Note also that John Treacy (1984 Olympic marathon silver medalist) says that he heard about EPO use in RUNNING through the grapevine in the year 1988 or 1989 on page 2 of the May, 1991 NY Times article just linked.
That is an interesting little FACT for all the people that think that EPO use in running began much later. Wide scale use began later.
Think of the advantage certain countries and individual runners would have if they were using EPO when the rest of the world had not found about it yet. Then when the rest of the world did find out about it around 1991 to 1993, the competitive advantage for those countries would decrease.
Now think of which countries they might be (hint... Italy, Morocco, others).
Dr. Gabriele Rosa from Italy started his first training camp in Kenya in 1991.
Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes is thought to have been working in Spain with athletes way back in the year 1992.
In 1992, the Summer Olympics were held in Barcelona, Spain…where Fermin Cacho won the 1500m, Dieter Baumann won the 5k, Khalid Skah won the 10k, Qu Yunxia of China won the bronze in the women's 1500m which was won by Hassiba Boulmerka of Algeria, and Ellen van Langen of the Netherlands won the women's 800m.
So nothing to see here kids. You can go back to sleep now. Nighty night.