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7 years ago 05/28/2016 2:56am EDT

re: sugar frosted flakes

this really shows how poor 27-flat is barrier wise for kenyans

these 2 kids who ran ?26'54 & 27'02 had no serious 10k clockings before & to call them 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners woud be an insult to 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners

& these "insult to 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners" ran 27-flat or much better

the key is there to beat mo for the 1st rate kenyans :

run flat-out from gun, no surges, no backing off, just hammer it from gun adapted according to conditions which for rio woud be 26'20/26'25 "oslo" pushed out to maybe 26'40 as it's likely to be hot/humid in rio

& before anyone says it, they didn't run it flat-out from gun in peking, but ambled for coupla laps at start & messed around with surges which won't hurt mo

to wreck him, go out & hammer 26'20/26'25 modified for weather

if these kids who are insult to 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners can go as fast as 26'54 in a waxing/waning race ( probably couda gone 26'45 if flat-out from gun ), the top boys can go 26'20/26'25 modified for weather

7 years ago 05/28/2016 3:08am EDT

re: henk

henk wrote:
Do think that 57:30 is a bit overrated, a track is usually slower at anything over 10k. Look at the 20k road vs 20.000m track records.
That kamworor can run sub 12:40, don't think that happens, with that shape he would crush Farah with ease.
Think his line of performance is more like
3:32 - 7:25 - 12:45 - 26:20 - 58:10 the shape he was in during WC half marathon.
Could be wrong, but don't see him being is the same 5000m shape as bekele in his prime, of komen in 3000m top shape.

the only reason anyone woud believe track is slower than road is because the top guys don't run 20k or 1/2M on the track to compare the same shape

20k track wr is by geb & although he had a 58'55 the previous year, the year of his ostrava wr he was well over 60' so not much to go on there

even if we use the extremes of your list : 3'32 ( which i saw here mentioned in the past by his coach as his likely 1500 ability last year & was why absurdly Kamwo believed gave him a chance in a sprint v mo ) & 58'10 on a track

3'32.00 / 58'10 ->

4'47.91

7'22.95

12'41.52

26'26.20

which indicates your 1/2M figure for him is too slow as most woud expect a 12'41 to be better figure than 26'26 & Kamwo gets better with distance, certainly upto 1/2M

7 years ago 05/28/2016 7:14am EDT

re: calculo

7:22 he says ðŸ˜‚

I read the article about the race. Did the "no names'" effort actually test Mo at any point? Sounds like one of them lead a lot of the second half and wouldn't let Mo slow it down? The article was heavily editorialized.

7 years ago 05/28/2016 9:00am EDT

re: calculo

calculo wrote:
this really shows how poor 27-flat is barrier wise for kenyans
these 2 kids who ran ?26'54 & 27'02 had no serious 10k clockings before & to call them 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners woud be an insult to 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners
& these "insult to 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners" ran 27-flat or much better
the key is there to beat mo for the 1st rate kenyans :
run flat-out from gun, no surges, no backing off, just hammer it from gun adapted according to conditions which for rio woud be 26'20/26'25 "oslo" pushed out to maybe 26'40 as it's likely to be hot/humid in rio
& before anyone says it, they didn't run it flat-out from gun in peking, but ambled for coupla laps at start & messed around with surges which won't hurt mo
to wreck him, go out & hammer 26'20/26'25 modified for weather
if these kids who are insult to 3rd rate kenyan 10k runners can go as fast as 26'54 in a waxing/waning race ( probably couda gone 26'45 if flat-out from gun ), the top boys can go 26'20/26'25 modified for weather

Hi ventolin

7 years ago 05/28/2016 10:30am EDT

re: doot doot

doot doot wrote:
7:22 he says ðŸ˜‚
I read the article about the race. Did the "no names'" effort actually test Mo at any point? Sounds like one of them lead a lot of the second half and wouldn't let Mo slow it down? The article was heavily editorialized.

Mo complaining he wanted it faster and didn't know the other elites. If we wanted faster he could have gone on his own to get the faster time he wanted. It turned into a tactical race, no fault but his own.

7 years ago 05/28/2016 12:49pm EDT

re: Wawa

RE: Rio Q times

Ten of the top ten Rio Q times have been run at Pre with 6 coming from last nights race. All 7 of the sub 27 times were there too

7 years ago 05/28/2016 1:04pm EDT

re: Wawa

Wawa wrote:
doot doot wrote:
7:22 he says ðŸ˜‚
I read the article about the race. Did the "no names'" effort actually test Mo at any point? Sounds like one of them lead a lot of the second half and wouldn't let Mo slow it down? The article was heavily editorialized.
Mo complaining he wanted it faster and didn't know the other elites. If we wanted faster he could have gone on his own to get the faster time he wanted. It turned into a tactical race, no fault but his own.

As the race turned out, Mo was smart to be cautious and not hammer when the pace dropped. Sitonik passed Mo on the last lap and held the lead into the stretch. If Mo had gone hard and been his pacer he probably would have lost the race.

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