Harvard's Transgender Swimmer

There is already a precedent of a male basketball player transitioning and playing as female:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGnspMWpUY

Seriously though, every one of these debates just shows that we should not have sports divided into two genders. Many have suggested we add an "Intersex" division, but I suggest we just have co-ed sports. Sure, fewer females will make college and pro teams, but I would argue that no sport would suffer for that.

If you think that is either sexist or bad for sports at all, then I would ask if you think that there should be women's football, or why softball isn't as popular as baseball.

Not gonna happen wrote:

There is already a precedent of a male basketball player transitioning and playing as female:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGnspMWpUY

Seriously though, every one of these debates just shows that we should not have sports divided into two genders. Many have suggested we add an "Intersex" division, but I suggest we just have co-ed sports. Sure, fewer females will make college and pro teams, but I would argue that no sport would suffer for that.

If you think that is either sexist or bad for sports at all, then I would ask if you think that there should be women's football, or why softball isn't as popular as baseball.

I would like to ask you, how is it fair that a female who is genetically weaker and slower compete against a male? Co-ed sports would be fun but they wouldn't work in that repsect.

Making sports "fair" is the problem. Some people are saying it's unfair for trans athletes to compete. Next, it will be tight monitoring of testosterone levels in females.

maybe some sports would evolve to where certain positions are filled by women. Steph Curry is basically a woman when he stands next to Kevin Durant, but both are phenomenal players

In the interview, Schuyler says he always thinks to himself during races "Don't be last." I found a 100m breastroke time for him this season of 1:03. By comparison, the slowest time in the heats of that event at the Ivy League Championships was around 57 seconds.

So, are we now in favor of lowering some standards, performance wise, to allow female to male transgendered individuals to compete? Would a genetic male at birth been recruited for the men's swim team with his times?

Not gonna happen wrote:

There is already a precedent of a male basketball player transitioning and playing as female:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGnspMWpUY

Seriously though, every one of these debates just shows that we should not have sports divided into two genders. Many have suggested we add an "Intersex" division, but I suggest we just have co-ed sports. Sure, fewer females will make college and pro teams, but I would argue that no sport would suffer for that.

If you think that is either sexist or bad for sports at all, then I would ask if you think that there should be women's football, or why softball isn't as popular as baseball.

That is a blatant affront to Title IX. I am supportive of Transgender rights, but I do find it interesting that many of the laws in Title IX are what pro-Trans activists appear to be fighting today. The feminists fought really, really hard to get themselves bathrooms and teams and clubs and opportunities that were specific to the female gender, and now many of those Title IX laws are what need to be changed to allow Trans people their due rights.

It is just an interesting look at society in general.

Well this is interesting wrote:

In the interview, Schuyler says he always thinks to himself during races "Don't be last." I found a 100m breastroke time for him this season of 1:03. By comparison, the slowest time in the heats of that event at the Ivy League Championships was around 57 seconds.

So, are we now in favor of lowering some standards, performance wise, to allow female to male transgendered individuals to compete? Would a genetic male at birth been recruited for the men's swim team with his times?

I think this is a unique situation. That needs to be considered. Also, it is Ivy so he isn't going to be receiving money in the form of an athletic scholarship.

Not Gonna Happen wrote:

Making sports "fair" is the problem. Some people are saying it's unfair for trans athletes to compete. Next, it will be tight monitoring of testosterone levels in females.

maybe some sports would evolve to where certain positions are filled by women. Steph Curry is basically a woman when he stands next to Kevin Durant, but both are phenomenal players

Except height has nothing to do with being man or woman. being 7 foot tall doesn't given you the ability to be faster, stronger or a higher vertical. It just means you're taller.

Ftardalert... wrote:

Except height has nothing to do with being man or woman. being 7 foot tall doesn't given you the ability to be faster, stronger or a higher vertical. It just means you're taller.

Wow. Just wow. You win the Biggest Idiot Of the Day award.

Does this swimmer have to use the women's bathroom in North Carolina?

Not gonna happen wrote:

There is already a precedent of a male basketball player transitioning and playing as female:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGnspMWpUY

Seriously though, every one of these debates just shows that we should not have sports divided into two genders. Many have suggested we add an "Intersex" division, but I suggest we just have co-ed sports. Sure, fewer females will make college and pro teams, but I would argue that no sport would suffer for that.

If you think that is either sexist or bad for sports at all, then I would ask if you think that there should be women's football, or why softball isn't as popular as baseball.

Correction : NO women would make any team at the top College or Pro level.

Title IX RIP

Bathroom question wrote:

Does this swimmer have to use the women's bathroom in North Carolina?

Do you think it's fine that a person with a vagina stands next to you in the shower?

There was a female to make hammer thrower. She wanted to be a man but still compete with the women. I say if you are legally a man throw the men's implement.

just asking wrote:

Bathroom question wrote:

Does this swimmer have to use the women's bathroom in North Carolina?

Do you think it's fine that a person with a vagina stands next to you in the shower?

I'm okay with that. I'm more concerned about how women feel about standing next to this swimmer in the shower.

A talent like Cain or Aragon could occasionally qualify for state in co-ed sports at the high school level, but overall girls would be crushed by most males.

Crete runner wrote:

A talent like Cain or Aragon could occasionally qualify for state in co-ed sports at the high school level, but overall girls would be crushed by most males.

I agree. And when those girls did qualify for state or place in a mid-range event, it would make headlines. We should not, however, give equal praise to some girl running 2:10 for the 800 as we do a male runner going 1:52, but that is what seems to happen every day in Title IX America

Bathroom question wrote:

just asking wrote:

Do you think it's fine that a person with a vagina stands next to you in the shower?

I'm okay with that. I'm more concerned about how women feel about standing next to this swimmer in the shower.

Yeah, I was just asking. I think I would be fine with that too. At least that's better than a male-to-female transgender with a penis standing next to a woman in the showers.

Anyway, regarding your question. No, this swimmer should use the men's bathroom in North Carolina. His birth certificate has supposedly been changed to that of a male, so he's not even allowed to use the women's facilities.

Crete runner wrote:

A talent like Cain or Aragon could occasionally qualify for state in co-ed sports at the high school level, but overall girls would be crushed by most males.

Look at their times...

NEVER qualifying for the boys state.

NEVER...

EVER...

?? What 800 time for females is equivalent to 1:52? 2:04?

The interview on yesterday's homepage about Semenya would be enlightening to this thread.