No, Rupp cannot beat anybody else. If we use your logic then Mo Farah would have easily won London marathon. But he didn't, did he. Because marathon is not the same as 10.000 on the track.
douglas burke wrote:
Eliud Kipchoge has to be the favorite, Rupp can beat anybody else, I look for Rupp to medal and he could win if Kipchoge has a sub par day, note all of Kipchoge's marathons have been time trials so far, also of note the last time Rupp raced Kipchoge was in a 10000 meter race on the track and Rupp finished ahead of Kipchoge by about a second meaning he out kicked him, I know a marathon is a different race altogether, still.
This is idiotic. Shouldn't the goal be to do the event(s) that the athlete is best at? That would generally be the event they is easiest for the athlete to medal in - since the athlete would be the best at it. Or you think it's better for athletes to do the events they aren't so good at, struggle with, so we can see them put in a tremendous effort to come in 12th? That's the spirit of competition, to only do events where you are likely to have the hardest chance to win?
oskdjj wrote:
The goal shouldnt be to get the easiest medal. The goal should be to beat the best competition.
Meaningless much? wrote:oskdjj wrote:This is idiotic. Shouldn't the goal be to do the event(s) that the athlete is best at? That would generally be the event they is easiest for the athlete to medal in - since the athlete would be the best at it. Or you think it's better for athletes to do the events they aren't so good at, struggle with, so we can see them put in a tremendous effort to come in 12th? That's the spirit of competition, to only do events where you are likely to have the hardest chance to win?
The goal shouldnt be to get the easiest medal. The goal should be to beat the best competition.
No, your logic is horrible. This was what we assumed before rupp ran his first marathon. He has already succeeded and his debut is arguably far superior to mo's. No pacing, lots of turns, and the heat and rupp still negative split his.
Kiplipp wrote:douglas burke wrote:No, Rupp cannot beat anybody else. If we use your logic then Mo Farah would have easily won London marathon. But he didn't, did he. Because marathon is not the same as 10.000 on the track.
Eliud Kipchoge has to be the favorite, Rupp can beat anybody else, I look for Rupp to medal and he could win if Kipchoge has a sub par day, note all of Kipchoge's marathons have been time trials so far, also of note the last time Rupp raced Kipchoge was in a 10000 meter race on the track and Rupp finished ahead of Kipchoge by about a second meaning he out kicked him, I know a marathon is a different race altogether, still.
I hope Rupp focuses on the marathon as that's more exciting for me - as a fan. It's the unknown. In the 10k, I know who he's not beating.
douglas burke wrote:
Eliud Kipchoge has to be the favorite, Rupp can beat anybody else, I look for Rupp to medal and he could win if Kipchoge has a sub par day, note all of Kipchoge's marathons have been time trials so far, also of note the last time Rupp raced Kipchoge was in a 10000 meter race on the track and Rupp finished ahead of Kipchoge by about a second meaning he out kicked him, I know a marathon is a different race altogether, still.
rojo wrote:douglas burke wrote:I hope Rupp focuses on the marathon as that's more exciting for me - as a fan. It's the unknown. In the 10k, I know who he's not beating.
Eliud Kipchoge has to be the favorite, Rupp can beat anybody else, I look for Rupp to medal and he could win if Kipchoge has a sub par day, note all of Kipchoge's marathons have been time trials so far, also of note the last time Rupp raced Kipchoge was in a 10000 meter race on the track and Rupp finished ahead of Kipchoge by about a second meaning he out kicked him, I know a marathon is a different race altogether, still.
But looking at things objectively, can someone tell me why so many people think he's great at the marathon? Other than the "He looked great jogging a half marathon on youtube" argument. Yes Rupp looked good at Winning the US trials but the guy doesn't have a huge track record on the roads.
Ryan Hall never came close to gold. WHat indication do we have that Rupp is better than Hall at 26.2?
Rupp's medal chances went up simply because the Kenyans put Korir on the team.
^this. And I agree with Rojo - I want him to run the marathon as I see it as I total crap shoot. A very good chance he could fall apart or otherwise get spanked, but there is this crazy chance (perhaps only hope) that he could pull of an amazing run... just seems like a bigger possible pay day for people watching if he's successful at the marathon over the 10,000.
So ...... wrote:
Rupp has very little experience on the roads. He could do well because he is disciplined. He might lay off a fast break and reel in people.
IT is unlikely that he can medal in the 10000 again. That is not to insult him. He ran a great race and had some good fortune that day. Just like most medalists. Usually there are more people ready to kick in a championship 10000. He could run a great race again and be 5-6th.
I actually don't quite understand the knock that he has little experience on the roads. It's not like it's cross country. He's a smart and savvy racer. In the OT Marathon, he knew exactly which moves to cover and which to ignore. Very little doubt in my mind he will be prepared for the tactics in Rio.
So ...... wrote:
Rupp has very little experience on the roads. He could do well because he is disciplined. He might lay off a fast break and reel in people.
IT is unlikely that he can medal in the 10000 again. That is not to insult him. He ran a great race and had some good fortune that day. Just like most medalists. Usually there are more people ready to kick in a championship 10000. He could run a great race again and be 5-6th.
1. 20 miles at 4:50 pace with 153 heart rate
rojo wrote:douglas burke wrote:I hope Rupp focuses on the marathon as that's more exciting for me - as a fan. It's the unknown. In the 10k, I know who he's not beating.
Eliud Kipchoge has to be the favorite, Rupp can beat anybody else, I look for Rupp to medal and he could win if Kipchoge has a sub par day, note all of Kipchoge's marathons have been time trials so far, also of note the last time Rupp raced Kipchoge was in a 10000 meter race on the track and Rupp finished ahead of Kipchoge by about a second meaning he out kicked him, I know a marathon is a different race altogether, still.
But looking at things objectively, can someone tell me why so many people think he's great at the marathon? Other than the "He looked great jogging a half marathon on youtube" argument. Yes Rupp looked good at Winning the US trials but the guy doesn't have a huge track record on the roads.
Ryan Hall never came close to gold. WHat indication do we have that Rupp is better than Hall at 26.2?
Rupp's medal chances went up simply because the Kenyans put Korir on the team.
Alberto said it
MetricMiler wrote:
The 20 miles at a 153 hr is meaningless unless we knew his max heartrate and also an substantiated rumor.
It was easy, he won by a ton and finished fast. Doesn't happen in a marathon unless you have a lot of energy left.
MetricMiler wrote:
He was certainly not jogging the Olympic trials marathon. That was all he had on a warm day. He has good form, doesn't mean he wasn't working very hard in L.A..
Weather is irrelevant on one of Ryan Hall's best days. Ryan Hall in his lifetime best fitness could win an Olympic medal on the right day, therefore Galen does not need to be better than Hall to win a medal.
MetricMiler wrote:
Ryan Hall's best day was with a tailwind at his back in cool conditions. The Rio Olympics will be warm.
Then how did Galen finish 5th last year?
MetricMiler wrote:
Although Kamworor and Farah are clearly better than Rupp at 10,000 meters , they are the only ones for sure. The marathon brings far more uncertainty.
He will finish the race barring injury.
MetricMiler wrote:
Salazar will be careful in whether or not Rupp finishes the Olympic marathon. If not in medal contention late into the race dropping out would be smart. He could get a big payday at a fall marathon like NYC or Chicago.
LOL
MetricMiler wrote:
I am the Metric Miler and clearly know more than anyone else. So you should listen to me only on this matter.