Long Run for 800m.

So, so, so wrong about needing 50mpw to do 10 on Sunday. You don't.

Also, drill every day is nothing. Weights every day? No wonder you sucked!

formerD1 wrote:

don't have to neglect speed wrote:

This. Speed is ruined by neglecting speed work, not by adding miles. Ramping your long run up to 13 miles while keeping the rest of your program constant is not going to turn you into an ultra runner.

By formerD1's logic, just about every 1500m guy should have crap speed.

Again, how do you ramp up to a 13 mile run without sacrificing the speed element of your program?

The "long run" does not exist in a vacuum. It requires a corresponding increase in your weekly mileage for you to be able to safely handle the long run and not get completely wiped-out for days afterwards.

It's not just the long run that hurts, it's the whole gearing your body in preparation of the long run that hurts even more.

This philosophy is literally retarded.

ovetter wrote:

Schwa? wrote:

"Ramp up to a 13 mile run"?

You are acting like it takes months to get up to that distance. Just run for 15 minutes more one week, and in 3-4 weeks add another 15 minutes.

Then you're there.

It's not that hard and you won't get slower.

No, it could takes years.

15 minutes is too much for a 800 guy to add. More like 5-10 max, or maybe a mile (7-8 minutes). There's not need to rush it either. You can determine along the way if it's good, bad, or indifferent.

If it's good, then add more. If not, don't.

Also, you probably don't want to add too much during season. This is something you can to try out of season.

So. Weak.

Honestly this is why "distance-based" US American men stink at 800. Weaklings scared of a 10-miler.

faster than you ever were wrote:

formerD1 wrote:

Again, how do you ramp up to a 13 mile run without sacrificing the speed element of your program?

The "long run" does not exist in a vacuum. It requires a corresponding increase in your weekly mileage for you to be able to safely handle the long run and not get completely wiped-out for days afterwards.

It's not just the long run that hurts, it's the whole gearing your body in preparation of the long run that hurts even more.

This philosophy is literally retarded.

You do realise don't you that many of the top 800 runners in the world and their coaches don't agree with you. A 1.43-44 guy doesn't need a 13 mile run, but you're saying a 1.52 guy is soft for not doing one?

faster than you ever were wrote:

So. Weak.

Honestly this is why "distance-based" US American men stink at 800. Weaklings scared of a 10-miler.

Lol I like your style. Americans are pretty crap at all non-sprinting and non-field events so you have a point.

Nobody is scared of a 10-miler. A lot of the 800m guys these days (I'd say the majority) are former 400m guys, who were in turn former 200m guys. People like us (former 400m guys) simply did not do any base, ever, during our formative middle school or high school years. I think the most I ever did was 45mpw in HS and that was my senior year. Before that I was around 25-35mpw.

Most of the kids I trained with were inner-city kids, black and hispanic kids. Raw talent and speed. We trained and lived like sprinters - only difference is, we did a lot of tempo runs and longer intervals. Yet they couldn't run a 5km to save their lives, and yet, most of them went off to run at amazing colleges. So the notion that you can get them to run a 10 mile run without seriously injuring themselves, is really funny.

Also, there's a big difference between doing a 10 mile run off of 50mpw, and off of 20mpw. If you're on 50mpw, a 10 mile run won't hurt you too much and you will recover fairly quickly from it. If you're on 20mpw and you do a 10 mile run, your legs will be shot for several days. There's a balance to be achieved there, but you only have so many hours in a day for training, and your legs can't do both at the same time.

Guessing wrote:

Nick Symmonds runs 13 mile long runs

But he never ran D1. So his opinion should be worhtless, according to a certain poster... ;)

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Guessing wrote:

Nick Symmonds runs 13 mile long runs

But he never ran D1. So his opinion should be worhtless, according to a certain poster... ;)

No, I'm just telling it the way it is for the bread and butter college athletes.

Just because Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of college and became a billionaire, are you going to encourage your kids to drop out of school and do the same?

Wow, So much to absorb. A lot of differences but am learning a lot. My question then is:

If 90 min. Is the sweet spot for an 800m runner or for a 2 min or less race, then what is the sweet spot for a miler? 180 min? What about a half marathoner? Maybe 4 hr. Long run?

Or are we saying that there is a benefit all the way to 90 min for 800m and after that its diminishing returns. Which leads me to think that if you believe a 2 hr long run is plenty for a half marathoner and more than that doesnt bring much improvements, you are basically saying the dimishing return spot or point for the 800m and half marathon arent really that far from each other.

Or the aerobic requirement of an 800m is almost the same or at least 70% of a half marathon in terms of a long run. All this doesn't apply if you are one that believes you need a 3 hr long run or more for the half marathon.

I guess I know why my half marathon sucked. I had a 1 hr long run.

So basically this thread is about the 800m, but most of the posts here are from slow as marathoning hobby joggers who read about Coe and suddenly are 800m mastermen? Haha I love this forum.

formerD1 wrote:

Guessing wrote:

Nick Symmonds runs 13 mile long runs

Seb Coe ran 13 mile long runs even during racing season

Yeah great let's use the exception to prove the rule, more moronic hobby jogging comments.

If you go to ANY D1 program, NONE of the 800m runners are doing 13 mile long runs. OK maybe there's 1 or 2 freaks of nature out there, but for the most part, NO NO NO.

Also, you do realize Seb Coe trained differently for his 800m "season" and his mile "season?" When he tried to combine the two into one, well he was running 1:44-1:47 and losing to Ovett in Moscow, and doing better in the mile. Seb Coe ran his 800m PR SIX (6) SIX SIX SIX years before his mile PR.

Jesus the amount of idiotic misinformation here is appalling.

Hey, Formula1, Coe ran his 800m PR SEVENTY-NINE (79) SEVENTY-NINE SEVENTY-NINE SEVENTY-NINE days before his mile PR. You were deadly close. But still you are much closer to be an a...hole.

this thread basically proves that alberto salazar was right in his assertion that letsrun is full of "message board rats". i'm not saying that everyone is, but wow..... it certainly seems like the people who post the most often are also the most angry and unhappy....

6or79 wrote:

Hey, Formula1, Coe ran his 800m PR SEVENTY-NINE (79) SEVENTY-NINE SEVENTY-NINE SEVENTY-NINE days before his mile PR. You were deadly close. But still you are much closer to be an a...hole.

Typo - I was comparing his 1500m record (not mile) to his 800m record. Coe's 1500m record was in 1986 and is more impressive than his mile time.

FYI, Mr. High Mileage El Guerrouj ran a PR of 1:47xx for the 800m. That wouldn't even get him a NCAA championship. Last year's winner ran a 1:45xx in the heats.

'How long do you think guys like Rudisha, Amos , kaki, and Simmonds run for their long run'

You are not Rudisha, Amos , kaki, or Simmonds do 10 miles

You are not likely to have anywhere near their speed so need to work on your endurance

formerD1 wrote:

6or79 wrote:

Hey, Formula1, Coe ran his 800m PR SEVENTY-NINE (79) SEVENTY-NINE SEVENTY-NINE SEVENTY-NINE days before his mile PR. You were deadly close. But still you are much closer to be an a...hole.

Typo - I was comparing his 1500m record (not mile) to his 800m record. Coe's 1500m record was in 1986 and is more impressive than his mile time.

FYI, Mr. High Mileage El Guerrouj ran a PR of 1:47xx for the 800m. That wouldn't even get him a NCAA championship. Last year's winner ran a 1:45xx in the heats.

Now we are coming to the next lesson, higher mathematics.

86-81=?

You have 1 week. For you, calculater is allowed. Also to ask your big sister. No, try your best - good luck!

NOW try your best...

A hint: You were within 20% of the correct answer. And I have to admit, for someone of your intelect that's quite impressive.

6or79 wrote:

86-81=?

You have 1 week. For you, calculater is allowed. Also to ask your big sister. No, try your best - good luck!

So your point is...Coe ran his 1500m PR 5 years after his 800m pr? Oh my god I stand corrected! It was FIVE not SIX years!!

Lol talk about missing the forest for the trees.

My intellect got me into Stanford. Where did you go to school Mr Smarty Pants? Dont be jealous you can confess you went to Loyola.

Well I believe someone here said Symmonds runs 13 miles for his long run. So he is definitely on the longer side.

Rudisha my guess is 6-7 miles.

Is there anyone here that knows for sure what Rudisha does for his long run?

UK are you saying 10 is good long run . Or are you saying thats what those guys do and I need more than that?

Thanks.

Rudisha ran 35mpw during base. Do you honestly think he did a 10 mile long run?