Michael Slagowski 48.54 open 400.

Sure, Drew has more endurance. Correct.

What's your point? Therefore MS does not?

MS has enough endurance and speed to break 1:47. That is my only point.

When ? In a few years? He has worked on his speed this year and improved his 400 time by about half a second and dropped his 800 by about 2 seconds. Really, you think he could drop another 2? Awfully hard to believe given Webb had much better endurance at this age in his career and similar speed. Weird to think he could improve so much more and a bold prediction if it is for this season. Anyone at this age that has done it in the past. I can't remember anyone.

wow crazy stuff wrote:

Seems to be more a speed athlete than endurance for a miler. Whatever specific Drew had they raced a 5000 would have lapped him during cross country on the track at 5000 at the end of the season.

Hunter was dying at FLN. He's a miler, and 5k is too long for him.

However, speaking of the mile:

Slagowski ran 1:48 and 3:59 by himself.

Could Hunter do that??? NO

Excellent point. Slag's foot speed / smoothness is world class.

Let's look at reality wrote:

[quote]wow crazy stuff wrote:

Slagowski ran 1:48 and 3:59 by himself.

Could Hunter do that??? NO

Let's look at reality wrote:

wow crazy stuff wrote:

Seems to be more a speed athlete than endurance for a miler. Whatever specific Drew had they raced a 5000 would have lapped him during cross country on the track at 5000 at the end of the season.

Hunter was dying at FLN. He's a miler, and 5k is too long for him.

However, speaking of the mile:

Slagowski ran 1:48 and 3:59 by himself.

Could Hunter do that??? NO

Hunter did enough to win at Footlocker. After Footlocker, people were saying he wouldn't break 4 or 8:40. He should have quieted them with his 7:59 and 3:57, but I guess not. It's a ridiculous belief that Hunter is a pure miler, and I'm not talking about form beauty. He ran 14:20 on a 5k XC course--an accurately measured one. He ran 14:26 on another XC course--this one was lengthened to be a full 5k. He ran an 8:53 2 mile as a 10th grader at NBN, when his mile PR was only 4:10. Last year, he wasn't as good a miler as Grant Fisher (who himself appears to be more 3k/5k), but won their 2 mile showdown at Brooks in 8:42 with a 4:14 last mile and a 54 last 400--not because he's a speedster, but because he was more aerobically fresh going into the last lap.

Both of these athletes are fantastic. There's no need to trash either of them. They have their different strengths. Slagowski has incredible speed and might be even more promising at the 800 than the mile. Hunter has incredible endurance and good speed, and is probably more promising at the 3k/5k than the mile.

You too funny and clearly joking. Drew's 7:59 3k was about far as he go. Hee hee

wow crazy stuff wrote:

When ? In a few years? He has worked on his speed this year and improved his 400 time by about half a second and dropped his 800 by about 2 seconds. Really, you think he could drop another 2? Awfully hard to believe given Webb had much better endurance at this age in his career and similar speed. Weird to think he could improve so much more and a bold prediction if it is for this season. Anyone at this age that has done it in the past. I can't remember anyone.

I'm not extremely well versed on American High School running, but I know of British guys of a similar age that have run 1:47s with similar 400m speed and far, far less 1500m ability. I mean 3:50+. It doesn't take a revolutionary to think that someone 8 seconds quicker over the mile, given the same speed over 400m, can go a bit faster over 800m.

A 17 year old from Great Britain did a 1:46 ? Was that Sebastian Coe?

Before you go "who?" look at this guy as an example. In 2014 when he was 18 years old. 48.2 and 3:52.9 ran 1:47.4

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=377196

wow crazy stuff wrote:

A 17 year old from Great Britain did a 1:46 ? Was that Sebastian Coe?

Do you struggle with reading comprehension? I clearly said in the 1:47s?

Looks like at 17 Kyle ran 48 and 1:48. So not sure how that is any different than what Michael has run? Maybe you struggle with reading comprehension.

Metric Miler wrote:

Bigfootidaho wrote:https://youtu.be/6PZBGTVMSrU

The smoothness in the way he runs is incredible. Michael posted a state leading 48.5 for the open 400 last night with a standing start.

That is actually incredible speed for a sub 4 miler.

Don't wanna get excited but I think the kid could be capable of 1:46 low, maybe 1:46.2.

You actually said 1:46.2. Maybe you should not throw out insults and make yourself look stupid.

Trying to have intelligent conversation with you too. Now we are done. Idiot

wow crazy stuff wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

That is actually incredible speed for a sub 4 miler.

Don't wanna get excited but I think the kid could be capable of 1:46 low, maybe 1:46.2.

You actually said 1:46.2. Maybe you should not throw out insults and make yourself look stupid.

Trying to have intelligent conversation with you too. Now we are done. Idiot

I threw an insult because you twisted my point.

I said there are British athletes who have run 48 in the 400m, 3:50+ in the 1500m and run 1:47. You said "what British teens have run 1:46". When did I ever say they had?

I stand by 1:46.2 for Slagowski.

The point which you seem to misunderstand is the kid I posted has run 48 and 1:47 with a 4:10 mile equivalent. I clearly wrote that Slagowski has run the 48 also, but is 8-10 seconds quicker over the mile.

You would think he could best the other kid's 1:47.

I am actually incredulous that some people here are not understanding this point as valid:

The kid I posted has run 48 and 1:47 with a 4:10 mile equivalent. I clearly wrote that Slagowski has run the 48 also, but is 8-10 seconds quicker over the mile.

You would think he could best the other kid's 1:47.

Yes, this is logical.To your point, I am not aware of any other 17 years olds in recent years in the US capable of 48, 148, 359.

Metric Miler wrote:

I am actually incredulous that some people here are not understanding this point as valid:

The kid I posted has run 48 and 1:47 with a 4:10 mile equivalent. I clearly wrote that Slagowski has run the 48 also, but is 8-10 seconds quicker over the mile.

You would think he could best the other kid's 1:47.

Slag's foot speed / smooth turnover / profile reminds me a little of Kaki. I've heard Kaki could split 48 for 4x4 but not much faster, yet he could also muster low 330s. VERY rare to see high school talent running 48 for the open (no blocks, no real knowledge of proper start technique) and sub 4 for the mile. Speed of Nick S but with a lighter chassy and step.Nate Brannen is the closest I can think of.Who else, among HSs, in the last decade who actually broke 49 in the open 400m. Lots of fast 4x4 splits in the 48x range but few actual fast 400s (i.e. Nick S).

Metric Miler wrote:

I am actually incredulous that some people here are not understanding this point as valid:

The kid I posted has run 48 and 1:47 with a 4:10 mile equivalent. I clearly wrote that Slagowski has run the 48 also, but is 8-10 seconds quicker over the mile.

You would think he could best the other kid's 1:47.

Slagowski has a much greater upside for the mile than Symmonds.

Were his parents good runners?

Metric Miler wrote:

To be honest I am quite flattered to have picked up my very own troll.

And now you have at least two or more. It sure is getting crowded being a personal Metric Miler troll.

Not really that "shocking"…is it M.M.?

So what that at Michael's latest races:

1) the 9:24 3200m win the night before was a "shakeout" jog.

2) the 4:19 mile win an hour before the 800m was part of his warmup.

3) the 1:48.36 "smooth" 800m win was the best HS time in the nation. So what?

4) the 4 X 400m was part of his warmdown.

So what do you think about Michael "The Big Slagowski" now Mr. Metric Miler?

rjm33 wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

To be honest I am quite flattered to have picked up my very own troll.

And now you have at least two or more. It sure is getting crowded being a personal Metric Miler troll.

Not really that "shocking"…is it M.M.?

So what that at Michael's latest races:

1) the 9:24 3200m win the night before was a "shakeout" jog.

2) the 4:19 mile win an hour before the 800m was part of his warmup.

3) the 1:48.36 "smooth" 800m win was the best HS time in the nation. So what?

4) the 4 X 400m was part of his warmdown.

So what do you think about Michael "The Big Slagowski" now Mr. Metric Miler?

I am extremely confused as to the angle which you are coming from. You don't appear to be that intelligent though so I'll treat you kindly.

Those are fantasic performances and clearly illustrate he is capable of much faster than 1:48 when all put together?

Are you suggesting that all of that means that Slagowski can only run 1:48.36?