Michael Slagowski 48.54 open 400.

I'm sure with some work we can find an example of a 48.5> 1:48>3:35>3:53 guy as well as a 3:53< 3:35

That 'black guy' is Julian Body. 10.71, 21.73, 48.16 and actually an IM hurdle specialist, 36.68 and headed to Stanford. Hanging with that guy after a sub-4 mile a few hours earlier is more impressive to me than the 48.54.

let's see how old you are ?

Elijah Greer never broke 50 in an open 400 in H.S. and he is the 4th fastest 800 meter runner in high school in the united states.

I am not saying he could or couldn't, but he didn't and he ran 1:47.68 for 800 meters.

Metric Miler wrote:

That is actually incredible speed for a sub 4 miler.

Don't wanna get excited but I think the kid could be capable of 1:46 low, maybe 1:46.2.

It is not "incredible speed" for a sub 4 runner. It is about what I would expect from a sub 4 miler, if they're not completely speed based.

Kids darned fast obviously, having a great season, but this 400 doesn't stand out to me.

Yes can we start another thread about Julian Body? Wow!!!

Anuther dwun runer wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

That is actually incredible speed for a sub 4 miler.

Don't wanna get excited but I think the kid could be capable of 1:46 low, maybe 1:46.2.

It is not "incredible speed" for a sub 4 runner. It is about what I would expect from a sub 4 miler, if they're not completely speed based.

Kids darned fast obviously, having a great season, but this 400 doesn't stand out to me.

I don't know why everyone here seems to think 3:59 milers are fast. They are not. Low 50's is far more typical.

400er wrote:

That 'black guy' is Julian Body. 10.71, 21.73, 48.16 and actually an IM hurdle specialist, 36.68 and headed to Stanford. Hanging with that guy after a sub-4 mile a few hours earlier is more impressive to me than the 48.54.

Thanks for the info, the ' ' reference by the site owner was a bit weird. Glad that the athlete in question has a name, some good times and a great education ahead of him.

Ohh, I think Malmo certainly has ability to look at runners and see talent, in fact probably expert level knowledge.

My point was, even if he does improve , his huge upside would have to be ridiculous to even get near an Alan Webb's all time marks, and quite aways still

to reach his HS marks. Actually still needs to drop secs to run mile marks Hunter has already.

Metric Miler wrote:

Anuther dwun runer wrote:

It is not "incredible speed" for a sub 4 runner. It is about what I would expect from a sub 4 miler, if they're not completely speed based.

Kids darned fast obviously, having a great season, but this 400 doesn't stand out to me.

I don't know why everyone here seems to think 3:59 milers are fast. They are not. Low 50's is far more typical.

Not really, you just couldn't break 50. So you think that is the norm. It is common and for high school kids is the norm. You couldn't break 4 either ,so maybe some correlation should be made on your part.

Dumbbell thrusters wrote:

Slagowski has never said he was going after the 800m record. More than likely he is also aiming for a fast mile. Webb didn't go 1:46 and I don't think he could have in high school. He was 1:47 high. Sure he went 1:43 when he was in 3:46 shape for the mile years later. The only high school kids we have seen go 1:46 were 46-47 400m guys. So I still say we have not seen anything from Slagowski to indicate a definite 1:46.

Webb split 47.4r in HS & ran 3:53. He could have run 1:46.

According to timescalculator.appspot.com, Slagowski's 800 is weak. He should be able to run 1:47.4 with the times he's posted so far. Since his 400 will not change, and his 800 is likely not going below 1:47.4, I'd say that his mile isn't going to go down too much either. At best 3:57.x. At BEST. i would watch Slagowski at the 800, but the good HS mile times are coming from Hunter.

I broke 4 several times and ran well under the equivalent at least a dozen times. I could barely break 51.

I was definitely more of a mile/5000 guy instead of he mile/800 guy, but there are plenty of us that ran under 4 and couldn't sniff 48.

The Empirical one wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I don't know why everyone here seems to think 3:59 milers are fast. They are not. Low 50's is far more typical.

Not really, you just couldn't break 50. So you think that is the norm. It is common and for high school kids is the norm. You couldn't break 4 either ,so maybe some correlation should be made on your part.

Why don't you ask a few college athletes currently who have broken 4 in the mile or 3:43 for 1500m if they can run sub 50 in the open mile?.. I bet you its 50/50.

The Empirical one wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I don't know why everyone here seems to think 3:59 milers are fast. They are not. Low 50's is far more typical.

Not really, you just couldn't break 50. So you think that is the norm. It is common and for high school kids is the norm. You couldn't break 4 either ,so maybe some correlation should be made on your part.

I am not using myself as a benchmark, this has nothing to do with me.

If you look at a comprehensive ranking website such as the 'powerof10' used in the UK you will see I am correct.

I know a runner who currently runs 1:48 and 3:59 right now and he could not touch sub 49.

A 'true' 4 min miler (or 3:42 1500) type is far more likely to have PB's that are around the following, give or take a small percentage either way for each:

51.5, 1:50.0, 3:42, 4:00

Essentially, if you can run 1:50 flat with 51 400m speed then you have the endurance which shows you should get close to 4:00.

Keeping the 800m constant, increasing the 400m time will bring the mile time down, and decreasing the 400m time will increase the mile time.

For Slagowski his 400-800-mile currently do not match up. The 400 and mile times together suggest something much faster than 1:48.7 in the 800m. Given that he ran the 1:48.7 with so much ease as a solo effort, one can assume that conclusion to be close to the truth. How fast is up for debate I suppose.

Consider this: 1:48.7/48.5 = 2.24

This is the kind of ratio seen in runners like Rudisha and Amos. Very fast speed based 800m runners with poor 1500m ability. Amos could probably just about run 4:00 in the mile as a 1:42 guy.

The endurance based athletes who ran the mile like Coe had conversions of ~ 2.17 from his 400-800 and ~2.23 from his 800-mile.

Symmonds is another example. His 1500 converts to about 3:51 for the mile:

400-800 ~2.17 800-mile ~2.24.

Slagowski's 400-800 is 2.24 and his 800-mile is 2.20.

So Slagowski has relatively much worse endurance from his 400 to 800, but then his endurance somehow picks up again and he can hold from his 800 to mile much better. This makes no sense.

As it stands, these times make much more sense: 48.5, 1:46.5, 3:59.5

The Bottom Line:

Slagowski now has the fastest 400m FAT of any High School sub-4 miler in history.

Les wrote:

Symmonds has run 3:34.55 for 1500m. This is faster than Robby Andrews' PR.

I'm shaking in my boots.

kjVC wrote:

Imagine what this kid could do in California? All these races in Idaho are crap weather - too windy.

Yes. He could run faster while getting his butt kicked by black kids

I have broken 4 minutes 4 times, and ran 3:38 in the 1500. I have a 1:47 high 400m PR, and I ran 48.30 FAT. When I ran that 400, I was a 1:48.mid/3:41 1500 guy.

I think Slagowski is in 3:57 shape, and I think he'll run 1:47.high. I know a decent amount about his training. I don't think he will run all that much faster into the outdoor season. He's already had a very long season (ran 4:15, losing by 6 seconds in the last 800m to 3:57.38 guy David Elliott. I think he was probably in 4:04 shape in the right race then.

I do think he will run 1:45 high/1:46 low in college, and probably in the 3:51-3:53 range. Should he stay healthy, keep his head on his shoulders and keep training hard, I think he would have the ability to break 1:44 and 3:30. That's a great career. I think that something that a lot of people forget is that young athletes don't always have straight line performances. Running 1:46 takes a lot of pieces coming together, some of which I think happens as the body matures. Michael is a special talent, but it's probably unrealistic to think that he will be a world beater right away. Keeping the expectations realistic, and taking a longer approach to where he needs to be in 4, 8 and 12 years, would be the best path for him and those that are in his inner circle.

I edited out part of my thought. He ran 4:15 on the slow Boise indoor track in mid January, surrounded by guys that ran around 4:05 or raced at the same level as 4:05 guys. He also ran 4:10 at the Simplot games, and 1:52 and 1:50 in indoors. He didn't have a light winter by any means. Also, if I'm Drew Hunter, I'm racing Slagowski the same way David Elliott did- by squeezing down from 800-1000 out and running the kick out of him from a long ways out.