Marlon Bascombe Coach of Lean.Strong.Fast Suspected of Cheating for BQ

If yo

Tripler wrote:

Doubler wrote:

Someone emailed me on that possibility today actually. It would be fairly easy for me to check. I have historical results from all marathons from 2014-2016 (all marathons from the qualifying window). I can match up name/city/age data from Boston against name/city age data from the other races and find discrepancies. Would have to weed through to confirm, but may be interesting to look at.

So if the guy signed up for all his preBoston races with the incorrect older age, it just might work...

Athlinks ages are not always correct. I have some that are correct, but then some are just the first age or last age in the age group I was in. For example, if I ran a race when I was 27, athlinks sometimes has me listed as 25 or 29. I think if the race results do not have an age attached when they scrape it, they just use the age group range.

Not the case. The bib handout team is instructed to match the age on the packet with the age on the ID.

Gracias, for that senor. Social engineering is so easy sometimes. :)

doubler wrote:

Derek seems to think that he's been appointed some spokesperson for the cheating movement., he promoted an article to RW. My sources say that he went to RW not the other way around.

You don't have sources. You make something up - and just in case you are wrong, you can blame it on "sources".

Now go away.

http://i.imgur.com/TqPgJ5t.png

Boston Finisher wrote:

Doubler wrote:

Someone emailed me on that possibility today actually. It would be fairly easy for me to check. I have historical results from all marathons from 2014-2016 (all marathons from the qualifying window). I can match up name/city/age data from Boston against name/city age data from the other races and find discrepancies. Would have to weed through to confirm, but may be interesting to look at.

Not the case. The bib handout team is instructed to match the age on the packet with the age on the ID.

I would have thought so...

Pretty easy for me to do a cursory check to see if I can find any that got through that way.

Long time board member here.

I must say I really like the data analysis aspect of doubler's work. A few years ago all this had been much harder. I am looking forward to the next gems of correlation.

And I must say I find the self-styled "accusations" in this thread hilarious.

mattw4jc wrote:

Those people really wanting the names of the 50 or so cheaters are welcome to do the research themselves. Derek's methodology is documented.

Exactly, if they were that concerned they would get off their arse, or on it behind a keyboard, and do their own research, post the names on their own blog, start a thread here on LR and post a link to the blog. If they're not prepared to do that they should STFU about releasing names.

NYRR race records show many different ages for Marlon in his race history that appear to be the same guy based on pictures.

Very suspicious.

occam's razor wrote:

If yo

Tripler wrote:

So if the guy signed up for all his preBoston races with the incorrect older age, it just might work...

Athlinks ages are not always correct. I have some that are correct, but then some are just the first age or last age in the age group I was in. For example, if I ran a race when I was 27, athlinks sometimes has me listed as 25 or 29. I think if the race results do not have an age attached when they scrape it, they just use the age group range.

My data was scraped from marathonguide fwiw. Ignoring the blanks. When I compared 2016 data vs. 2014 results, found a handful to verify. Found 1 so far that seems to have lied about age to qualify. Will post the specifics as soon as I verify age on the race websites.

doubler wrote:

Derek seems to think that he's been appointed some spokesperson for the cheating movement., he promoted an article to RW. My sources say that he went to RW not the other way around.

You don't have sources. You make something up - and just in case you are wrong, you can blame it on "sources".

Now go away.

http://i.imgur.com/TqPgJ5t.png

Yeah, what a friggin idiot, "My sources". Trouble is he'll finish his school homework and come back using a different handle.

Mr. T. wrote:

Derek seems to think that he's been appointed some spokesperson for the cheating movement.,

Hey dumbo, here's a repeat of my post from earlier in the thread. You sure are a slow learner.

Hey, dumbo... wrote:

Mr. T. wrote:

And agan, who appointed Derek as the watchdog or consumer affairs for all the running coaches out there.

No one, what makes you think they did?

This is how it works dumbo, you start a personal blog and people chose to go there to have a look or not go there, sometimes people post links to the blog on other blogs and websites. Now, what don't you understand about that?

Hey dumbo... wrote:

...sometimes people post links to the blog on other blogs and websites.

Hey dumbo, you can add to that: "sometimes people contact you by email".

Found a runner whose age went up by 10 years from 2014-2016.

Boston Bib 22579

Time Needed for Boston '16 Acceptance

36 year old female 3:37:32

45 year old female 3:52:32

Boston 2016 Bib # 22579

2014 Chicago Age 35 4:11:30

2015 London Age 44 3:46:29 - BQ for Boston 2016.

2015 Chicago Age 45 4:01:21

2016 Boston Age 45 4:09:52

Photos verified - all entries appear to be the same woman.

Ages verified on race sites

All ages I could find in races prior to Chicago 2014 line up with the younger version of this runner.

I estimated her qualifying time based on bib # to be 3:46:24. This is In line with London marathon time.

I have a handful more to check based on ages in 2014 races. I will check 2015 ages as well.

I did find a male that had a similar change in age - but he ended up running 2016 with a charity bib. He missed a BQ time for the older age by about 15 minutes.

How about writing a script for that? Still too complicated?

Fwiw marathonguide.com results are HIGHLY inaccurate. They shape info and if there are updates to those results, mg never go back to correct them.

You should be using the official results only. Otherwise, you are scraping inaccurate scraped data.

Did these people profit monetarily from cheating?

doubler wrote:

Found a runner whose age went up by 10 years from 2014-2016.

Boston Bib 22579

Time Needed for Boston '16 Acceptance

36 year old female 3:37:32

45 year old female 3:52:32

Boston 2016 Bib # 22579

2014 Chicago Age 35 4:11:30

2015 London Age 44 3:46:29 - BQ for Boston 2016.

2015 Chicago Age 45 4:01:21

2016 Boston Age 45 4:09:52

Photos verified - all entries appear to be the same woman.

Ages verified on race sites

All ages I could find in races prior to Chicago 2014 line up with the younger version of this runner.

I estimated her qualifying time based on bib # to be 3:46:24. This is In line with London marathon time.

I have a handful more to check based on ages in 2014 races. I will check 2015 ages as well.

I did find a male that had a similar change in age - but he ended up running 2016 with a charity bib. He missed a BQ time for the older age by about 15 minutes.

Roberta Nester wrote:

Did these people profit monetarily from cheating?

Is your point that you personally feel it's ok to cheat if there is no financial gain? If so, do you mean only direct financial gain (prize money) or including indirect financial gain? For example, a person uses their accomplishments gained by cheating to self promote and make more money through that self promotion, is that ok?

Sweeper wrote:

Fwiw marathonguide.com results are HIGHLY inaccurate. They shape info and if there are updates to those results, mg never go back to correct them.

You should be using the official results only. Otherwise, you are scraping inaccurate scraped data.

I like the marathonguide data. First, it is all in one place..good luck trying to scrape data from each individual marathon.

its a good starting point to look up an individual's past results.

I like that they don't update results. I've found past DQs for runners that were removed from the official results that way.

I do verify the official results If someone is identified as a likely cheater. Also do that to verify splits (if published).

doubler wrote:

Found a runner whose age went up by 10 years from 2014-2016.

Maybe she had been lying about her age, pretending to be younger, and then started using her real age.

Is it Angela Connelly?