Will Leer Now Blurring out Swooshes

It's perfectly reasonable for a non-American to not know who Will Leer is. He's good, but not that good, and hasn't even been on any major US team (except maybe indoors once?). Can we be done with that now?

Anyway, does anyone actually know what his contract situation is? I've seen lots of reasonable guesses, but it looks like nobody really knows, or nobody who knows wants to say, which I suppose is understandable as it might be a lousy situation for Will.

Implied? I think you are being overly sensitive.

I didn't know who he was because I live in the UK, that's what I was pointing out. Whether he is faster than runners here makes no difference, I'm sure there are plenty of Kenyans faster than guys in the UK and USA that neither me nor you have heard of.

I really don't rely on PB's to decide whether an athlete is well known or not. Jacub Holousa of Czech Republic comes to mind, a 3:35 guy that has won international medals (including silver in Portland) or reached the finals and been to Worlds and the Olympics. It isn't about 'standards'.

I literally don't know who Will Leer is because he hasn't made an international impact therefore I have never come across him.

Unless this is William posting now I cannot see what could have offended you.

As for the actual thread, maybe he has been cut by Nike and is going on a mad one.

Metric Miler wrote:

I didn't know who he was because I live in the UK, that's what I was pointing out. Whether he is faster than runners here makes no difference, I'm sure there are plenty of Kenyans faster than guys in the UK and USA that neither me nor you have heard of.

It's strange that you need to 10 posts over 4 pages to tell other people you never heard of him. Although I'm a long time runner and letsrun.com reader, I'm sure that I've not heard of a lot of good runners. But I wouldn't go on and on about it if other people chose to talk about them. That you did gives other people the impression that you don't think much of him, like Sesamoiditis says.

Consider this.... wrote:

He's a perfect example of a distance runner who looks like a UFC fighter. Wonder how he'd fair?

Fare! The word is fare!!

zzzz wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I didn't know who he was because I live in the UK, that's what I was pointing out. Whether he is faster than runners here makes no difference, I'm sure there are plenty of Kenyans faster than guys in the UK and USA that neither me nor you have heard of.

It's strange that you need to 10 posts over 4 pages to tell other people you never heard of him. Although I'm a long time runner and letsrun.com reader, I'm sure that I've not heard of a lot of good runners. But I wouldn't go on and on about it if other people chose to talk about them. That you did gives other people the impression that you don't think much of him, like Sesamoiditis says.

I have gone on and on because I kept being attacked for not knowing who Will Leer is and have had to defend my position. It's like people want me to turn around and say 'sorry guys, I knew who he was all along, I'm just being a prick!'

I said it once. I got lot's of negative replies and responded to those.

don't worry Metric...a lot of butt-hurt Leer fans upset their fav terd was cut by nike

You looked him up and said that he isn't well known internationally as if to say that we should only be talking about runners who are well known internationally. That would leave us a short list of runners to talk about that includes one UK runner.

Most of Metric Miler's posts are in reply to people who are insulting him for not knowing who Will Leer is without really explaining why Leer's doings are such a hot topic here. If he'd have gotten a straight answer in the early going I'm betting he'd have been done.

Sesamoiditis wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Implied? I think you are being overly sensitive.

I didn't know who he was because I live in the UK, that's what I was pointing out. Whether he is faster than runners here makes no difference, I'm sure there are plenty of Kenyans faster than guys in the UK and USA that neither me nor you have heard of.

You looked him up and said that he isn't well known internationally as if to say that we should only be talking about runners who are well known internationally. That would leave us a short list of runners to talk about that includes one UK runner.

'As if to say we should only be talking about international runners'? What? You are being very sensitive here. I know about current American collegiate and even some high school runners that are talked about here. I have still never heard about a Will Leer, just get over it.

I've never attacked Will, it is you that is unfairly insulting British runners for no reason whatsoever. Now I feel like I should defend the British athletes but I won't because you know your comments are ridiculous.

The guy that has said all my posts are defending my right to have not heard of Will Leer are correct. If someone just said he is an American middle distance guy that ran at a D3 school so is popular with ex D3 athletes etc, always thereabouts on the American scene but not quite made it internationally and is also quite outspoken, then I would have said "thank you" and moved on.

Look, people are just surprised that you've never heard of a guy who has run faster and has better range than your current top 1500 guy, and also a guy who has routinely finished highly in US championships (and in fact winning a mile/3k US National double indoors, not great fields, but still a good double), and barely missing out on WC/OG teams by .01's. Especially when you say you even know of good US HS runners, and if you come on this site much at all. 3:51 milers are not a dime a dozen. (he's done it twice, counting his 3:34)

ALSO: he's an outspoken guy and tries to look like Pre, so he's hard to miss.

I don't really like Leer much, but of course I've heard of him.

That's it! It's not an illogical position to take! But if it makes you feel better, I believe you are not trolling. A bit surprised, but I believe you ( I think..... ;) ).