So select people put down and criticize hobby joggers to help their own self esteem issues? Makes sense, don't see that ending anytime soon.
So select people put down and criticize hobby joggers to help their own self esteem issues? Makes sense, don't see that ending anytime soon.
Who did it? wrote:
seikosha wrote:I find the whole Hobby Jogger LetsRun putdown unique in that in other sports, you don't see the elite trashing all those who aren't. If you want your sport to thrive, gain sponsor attention and be successful, you encourage people of all levels to participate no matter how good they may or may not be.
There are no elites here. I repeat, there are no elites here.
Yeah, but there is a former elite who told a "jogging enthusiast" to go to the Runner's World message board.
seikosha wrote:
I find the whole Hobby Jogger LetsRun putdown unique in that in other sports, you don't see the elite trashing all those who aren't. If you want your sport to thrive, gain sponsor attention and be successful, you encourage people of all levels to participate no matter how good they may or may not be.
LRC posters who dwell on slower recreational runners cannot grasp this point. Their pettiness and immaturity blinds them.
"Hobby Joggers" don't bother me. In fact, technically, I suppose that I'm one of them, as I'm not an elite/pro. However the one annoyance is when mediocre competitive accomplishments are trumpeted as something special. If someone is participating only for the health and lifestyle aspects, then that's cool. But when the heavily bumper-stickered person around the office brags about his or her 50-mile week or 1:35 half marathon or age group placing at a small local 5k, it grates on my nerves and I feel that it promotes a general complacency with mediocrity in America these days. We are not tough anymore and the coddling and self-celebration are discouraging.
seikosha wrote:
I find the whole Hobby Jogger LetsRun putdown unique in that in other sports, you don't see the elite trashing all those who aren't. If you want your sport to thrive, gain sponsor attention and be successful, you encourage people of all levels to participate no matter how good they may or may not be.
With some exceptions, the true elites don't put down hobby joggers and if they do it is not because they are slow but because someone did something to them.
It usually is the next group below the true elites that puts down the people below them and that continues on down the chain.
"There are no elites here. I repeat, there are no elites here."
Yes there are. I talked to a 3 X Olympian just after wrote for 3 hours on Let's Run.com!
It's simple really. Accomplished runners (like myself) don't care about hobby joggers in real life. In fact, we mostly enjoy them since half of them tend to be female and many of them are attractive and wear nice tights and stuff. It also makes pre and post race more interesting and more eye candy = win!
The problem with hobby joggers is that they infest LRC. Back in the day, LRC was filled with serious runners and the hobby joggers stayed quiet. If they wanted to run their mouth about their new awesome training program which will lead them to 2:50 glory, they would post on the Runners World forums or some British site I can't recall the name of. That was fine.
But on LRC you have serious runners who are asking questions about serious training and serious times. Now, in LRC, you add to the mix a bunch of clueless (but arrogant) HS coaches, a bunch of hobby joggers who doggedly follow Jack Daniels or some other training program and spew their so-called "expertise" when in reality it's all wrong and poorly executed.
But yeah, if I see you on the street running or at a club, I'm happy to meet you. But just as you wouldn't go around in real life telling a 4:00 miler how to apply Jack Daniels to his training despite you having a PR of 4:40, just because you are on the internet doesn't mean you should do so here either.
Just keep your mouth shut when talking about training to people much faster than you and we have no problems.
Uhm no, hobby jogger. Go home.
If you got scholarship money to run in college, you are not a hobby jogger. Being state champion/all-American, etc., all have very real and very tangible economic benefits. It makes you stand out like crazy on graduate school applications, makes you a very attractive candidate for job interviews, etc. etc.
Hobby jogger = someone who was never good enough to actually ever get any economic benefit from running and therefore are just doing it for fun.
p.s. Running isn't fun.
And the really REALLY ironic thing is:
Hobby Joggers HATE each other. That's why they're all here and not on RunnersWorld.com. They detest the slow and poor training methods shared by their brethren, and want to be surrounded by greatness, by formerD1s such as myself.
They know they could never walk-on to our teams in college, could never train with us (even though they watched us with jealous eyes). They don't know what it's like to bust out a 53 second last lap on a 3 mile track tempo alongside Alan Webb or Goucher. But they want that aura.
The sad thing is, after a few months on LRC, these hobby joggers start getting comfortable. Start feeling at home, almost start feeling like an equal, since we tolerate them and communicate with them. They start repeating stuff that they've been told by us, without actually having a clue on proper execution. They start feeling like they are a guru, but for their crappy genetic disposition could have also been a contender.
Lol. Just remember, you belong in Runnersworld.com. We only tolerate you here.
formerD1 wrote:
Hobby jogger = someone who was never good enough to actually ever get any economic benefit from running and therefore are just doing it for fun.
By this definition, John Bingham is not a hobby jogger.
formerD1 wrote:
And the really REALLY ironic thing is:
Hobby Joggers HATE each other. That's why they're all here and not on RunnersWorld.com. They detest the slow and poor training methods shared by their brethren, and want to be surrounded by greatness, by formerD1s such as myself.
They know they could never walk-on to our teams in college, could never train with us (even though they watched us with jealous eyes). They don't know what it's like to bust out a 53 second last lap on a 3 mile track tempo alongside Alan Webb or Goucher. But they want that aura.
The sad thing is, after a few months on LRC, these hobby joggers start getting comfortable. Start feeling at home, almost start feeling like an equal, since we tolerate them and communicate with them. They start repeating stuff that they've been told by us, without actually having a clue on proper execution. They start feeling like they are a guru, but for their crappy genetic disposition could have also been a contender.
Lol. Just remember, you belong in Runnersworld.com. We only tolerate you here.
I guess you´re one of those insecure idiots that some of the posters on this thread has written about.
This post is all kinds of wrong.
formerD1 wrote:
It's simple really. Accomplished runners (like myself) don't care about hobby joggers in real life. In fact, we mostly enjoy them since half of them tend to be female and many of them are attractive and wear nice tights and stuff. It also makes pre and post race more interesting and more eye candy = win!
The problem with hobby joggers is that they infest LRC. Back in the day, LRC was filled with serious runners and the hobby joggers stayed quiet. If they wanted to run their mouth about their new awesome training program which will lead them to 2:50 glory, they would post on the Runners World forums or some British site I can't recall the name of. That was fine.
But on LRC you have serious runners who are asking questions about serious training and serious times. Now, in LRC, you add to the mix a bunch of clueless (but arrogant) HS coaches, a bunch of hobby joggers who doggedly follow Jack Daniels or some other training program and spew their so-called "expertise" when in reality it's all wrong and poorly executed.
But yeah, if I see you on the street running or at a club, I'm happy to meet you. But just as you wouldn't go around in real life telling a 4:00 miler how to apply Jack Daniels to his training despite you having a PR of 4:40, just because you are on the internet doesn't mean you should do so here either.
Just keep your mouth shut when talking about training to people much faster than you and we have no problems.
Hardly anyone talks about training here anyway, mostly they just spew stupid stuff all this arrogant BS you just posted, so thanks for contributing!
Blah blah blah go back to Runnersworld.com.
You would be peering over the fence to get a glimpse of our training sessions and now here you are.
Are you one of the dozens of groupies who try to get my phone number so they can run with me or ask for training/coaching advice?
Welcome to Letsrun.com.
We can either talk about training (hence, the training forum) or elite running.
Lol at casual hobby joggers discussing people like Hall or Rupp on the internet. Go back to discussing your next charity run and how many finisher medals you have earned. Maybe next year you'll even break 40 for the 10k!
Finish medals are just part of the goodie bag you get when you buy a race bib and goodie bag at retail price. Think of the sub elite comped entry as a discount on the purchase of a race bib.
formerD1 wrote:
Are you one of the dozens of groupies who try to get my phone number so they can run with me or ask for training/coaching advice?
Distance runners don´t have groupies (but I guess you are gay).
Hey, a bit of perspective from one person here. I'm 63 and when I was running my best in the 70s and 80s there were no "hobby joggers." I don't want to be a sour old geezer, so I say live and let live. If you think there are too many 5km or other races with the word"marathon" in it catering to the masses, then organize a 10 miler, XC or track 10,000 for example. Times have changed (double meaning) and we need to also. And BTW, we will all slow to jogging pace eventually, like it or not.
formerD1 wrote:
And the really REALLY ironic thing is:
Hobby Joggers HATE each other. That's why they're all here and not on RunnersWorld.com. They detest the slow and poor training methods shared by their brethren, and want to be surrounded by greatness, by formerD1s such as myself.
They know they could never walk-on to our teams in college, could never train with us (even though they watched us with jealous eyes). They don't know what it's like to bust out a 53 second last lap on a 3 mile track tempo alongside Alan Webb or Goucher. But they want that aura.
The sad thing is, after a few months on LRC, these hobby joggers start getting comfortable. Start feeling at home, almost start feeling like an equal, since we tolerate them and communicate with them. They start repeating stuff that they've been told by us, without actually having a clue on proper execution. They start feeling like they are a guru, but for their crappy genetic disposition could have also been a contender.
Lol. Just remember, you belong in Runnersworld.com. We only tolerate you here.
You full of yourself, bro?
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