Hand her the gold medal now - Caster Semenya complete ridiculous 50.76/1:58.46 double in span of 50 minutes

Arkansas runner Dominique Scott

jkhkdd wrote:

Fairly equivalent times to a strong high school boy. Weird.

For real, except she is sandbagging the 800m.

I ran 50.1 and 4:26 (1600m) which are close to her times. However, I also ran 1:54.0 in that same time frame.

jkhkdd wrote:

Also, can we agree to have an alternative Olympics for Melissa Bishop, Ajee Wilson, and Laura Roesler (and any other female 800 runner that doesn't race in half tights?)

Give the medals out based on looks instead of running, you mean?

Comparing to 3:50 by Dibaby she has some work to do. Triple or not.

If it's based on not looking like a dude, then yeah

Baywatcher wrote:

jkhkdd wrote:

Also, can we agree to have an alternative Olympics for Melissa Bishop, Ajee Wilson, and Laura Roesler (and any other female 800 runner that doesn't race in half tights?)

Give the medals out based on looks instead of running, you mean?

I think jkhkdd means running a race where only women are allowed.

TUE wrote:

I've said it before: Ajee Wilson is the most unlucky XX-genotype woman athlete in history.

Would love to hear her opinion on the fairness of having to compete against males. Has anyone ever asked her about this? Are there any interviews?

Her lol you mean hand him the medal now right???????????????

I predicted 1:54 low for Semenya some weeks ago.

We will see.

someone picked a 1.54 for "her" lol i could run that and i haven't run in years also i'm a dude just like Caster Semenya is.

I believe she is in 1:55 shape right now.

Wonder what Ventolin^(1/2) would predict? 1:51?

Why isn't this a familiar story yet? Athlete delivers world-beating time in country. Athlete leaves country and suddenly not so world beating.

Yes, I realize she's part he.. Rio broadcast will be awkward!!!! Lots of long shots and cutaways in the future.

IAAF demonstrating remarkable consistency.

MM3307 wrote:

There are no good answers.

Bullcrap. The answer is simple. Anyone with a Y-chromosome runs in the male/open category.

I always thought that she was sub 1:50 material

She has the same built as a guy I used to run against, who ended up running sub 1:50

50.76 is scary for the top 400 runners. It is nearly a two-seconds improvement in PR.

When did the pharmaceutical intervention end? I think "she" has been training in this unrestrained state only this one winter, right?

The Sports Gene has a great section on this.

There are multiple genetic pathways for females to end up with high testosterone levels. Most famous is the XXY, but there are other additional ways that are much more genetically subtle and difficult to test for. Ban those women too? This is such a mess. There is no question high testosterone levels give certain females an advantage over "regular" ones. But isn't that just another form of being a genetic outlier, like Kevin Durant's freakishly long arms and tall height or Asbel Kiprop's picture-perfect running physique?

There is a girl at the high school where I coach who is a perfect example. She DOMINATES basketball based on physique alone. She does things other girls simply cannot do. She can toss them around like rag dolls, and despite not being much of a lifter, has muscle definition you just usually don't see on women (and has since she was a kid). She is on the genetic version of testosterone therapy--it is plain to see for anyone with eyeballs.

Don't lose sight of the fact that testosterone levels are highly variable in males, too. There is high selection for high production of testosterone in any sport that requires strength or quick muscle recovery for training (so, all of them).

There is simply no question that a critical question for women who compete clean is: how much testosterone does your body produce? It's the ultimate performance enhancer. There is no way to make something so highly genetically variable fair.

Well there is this way we make one thing that is very much genetically variable fair:

XY athletes compete against XY athletes

and XX athletes compete against XX athletes

It has worked so far.

The ovaries and adrenal gland produce testosterone in women. In the case of Semenya, she doesn't have ovaries. Her testosterone production is coming from something women don't possess.