Implying that his wife who is a well-respected triathlete (she finished fourth in the last Olympics) is operating in the gray-zone is throwing her under the bus. He didn't need to use her as an example to make himself look better.
Implying that his wife who is a well-respected triathlete (she finished fourth in the last Olympics) is operating in the gray-zone is throwing her under the bus. He didn't need to use her as an example to make himself look better.
I think you are missing his point. He was not calling his wife a cheat or implying that she is operating in a grey zone. He is making a point that there is zero tolerance to any performance "crutch" in his preparation. Right or wrong, that is the way he chooses to approach training and racing. He used his wife as an example to drive home the point. Maybe not the best choice as he opened himself up to this criticism. But think about it for a second. Do you really believe that he would call out his own wife for operating in a suspicious manner?!
Calm Down wrote:
I think you are missing his point. He was not calling his wife a cheat or implying that she is operating in a grey zone. He is making a point that there is zero tolerance to any performance "crutch" in his preparation. Right or wrong, that is the way he chooses to approach training and racing. He used his wife as an example to drive home the point. Maybe not the best choice as he opened himself up to this criticism. But think about it for a second. Do you really believe that he would call out his own wife for operating in a suspicious manner?!
No - you are missing the point.
“For example, my wife usually drinks beetroot juice, which I know a lot of athletes do leading into a competition and she has taken bisodium carbonate (I think True meant sodium bicarbonate) leading into races, both of which are completely legal and fine. But myself, I would never do that because I feel that that is the gray area."
He explicitly says his wife is doing something legal that he considers a gray area.
Some people are disappointed that he is setting up a logically inconsistent moral system and explicitly using his wife as an example of somebody who fails to live up to his system.
Great post Calm Down!
...here is another old post about Steve Jones...
Fred, since you like science... I thought you might like to see how I determined with my own personal LTP (Letsrun.com Truth Passport) that Steve Jones had a "not suspicious at all" SOLID GOLD score on my LTP.
I still have a VHS tape from the 1985 Chicago marathon when Steve ran his 2:07:13, with a first half in around 1:01:45. We know that nobody was using EPO before 1986, so any times from before then have ruled out EPO use (also Dave Moorcroft at 13:00 5k is definitely clean).
Steve Jones also ran the 1986 European championships marathon, but did not drink enough fluids and became severely dehydrated... and like a normal, regular human being...he slowed to a shuffle...but he refused to quit...and he came in 20th in 2:22:12.
Steve Jones coached himself. He did not use computer training systems, or VO2 max treadmill testing, or economy testing, or lactate threshold testing, or a lactate reader, or a heart rate monitor, or a GPS system, or headphones, or "special" doctors, or lots of other fancy "technical support" that everybody seems to need today.
When Steve Jones won the 1984 Chicago marathon, beating the Olympic champion Carlos Lopes and World Champion and then current world record holder Rob DeCastella... in a new world record time of 2:08:05....
...Steve Jones did not even know what the world record time for the marathon even was!... when he broke the world record!...
....and this was the first marathon Steve Jones had even completed in his life!...
...and he did not even wear a watch!!!...
...The most important factors in determining a personal LTP score are not able to be measured by science...but are actually determined by inner "feeling"...
...And that is how I determined that Steve Jones is the REAL DEAL!!!...
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6881090&page=70#ixzz45dtt7GxZ
... And in my personal opinion...Ben True is the real deal!...
Where in the article did he say that he is suspicious of, or doesn't respect anybody, who doesn't follow his train of thought? If that was the case then it would make for a very tense atmosphere in the True house hold! You can choose to read it as him "throwing his wife under the bus", but it would be hard to believe that he feels his wife is cheater for drinking beetroot juice. Nowhere in the article did he say that anybody who doesn't follow his "moral system" is breaking the rules. Logical or not, he chooses to follow a very rigid path concerning these matters and I highly doubt he gives two flying fu*ks what a bunch of anonymous hacks on letsrun think about it.
Calm Down wrote:
Where in the article did he say that he is suspicious of, or doesn't respect anybody, who doesn't follow his train of thought? If that was the case then it would make for a very tense atmosphere in the True house hold! You can choose to read it as him "throwing his wife under the bus", but it would be hard to believe that he feels his wife is cheater for drinking beetroot juice. Nowhere in the article did he say that anybody who doesn't follow his "moral system" is breaking the rules. Logical or not, he chooses to follow a very rigid path concerning these matters and I highly doubt he gives two flying fu*ks what a bunch of anonymous hacks on letsrun think about it.
You should 'Calm Down'.
You said he didn't imply his wife was operating in a gray zone. I then showed you the direct quote of him saying he considered what she did to be in a gray zone.
I am not concerned about what he thinks. I was simply helping to correct your mistake about what he actually said.
Apparently you are concerned about what he thinks or you wouldn't be writing on these message boards! He is calling it his own personal grey zone and he has zero tolerance for any of it. That is the way he chooses to approach his training and racing.
We have a guy with world class talent who chooses to do things the right way and...SURPRISE.... out come the Letsrun trolls to pick him apart. Where do you guys come from?! Where does all this frustration and hate stem from? The worse part about the internet being created is that all you trolls have found a common place to come together and commiserate. Holy sh*t. We even have a world class coach on here who is willing to teach and share, and yet people who don't know sh*t find a way to tear him apart. Get over it. Does it personally matter so much to you that you are willing to get together on a website and whine like a bunch of babies?
Calm Down wrote:
lots of exclamation points, ad hominem attacks, swears
You are not calm.
Calm Down wrote:
Apparently you are concerned about what he thinks or you wouldn't be writing on these message boards! He is calling it his own personal grey zone and he has zero tolerance for any of it. That is the way he chooses to approach his training and racing.
We have a guy with world class talent who chooses to do things the right way and...SURPRISE.... out come the Letsrun trolls to pick him apart. Where do you guys come from?! Where does all this frustration and hate stem from? The worse part about the internet being created is that all you trolls have found a common place to come together and commiserate. Holy sh*t. We even have a world class coach on here who is willing to teach and share, and yet people who don't know sh*t find a way to tear him apart. Get over it. Does it personally matter so much to you that you are willing to get together on a website and whine like a bunch of babies?
It's not what he's doing, it's his holier-than thou attitude. "Some people, like my wife, bend the rules a little bit, it's fine, but I'm just a little bit above that."
I don't see why people are hung up on the comment about his wife. I think he is implying that some U.S. Runners are cheats who take advantage of technicalities. He is certainly entitled to that opinion. My sense is that the bigger issue is inadequate testing worldwide, which can let dopers escape more easily. The stories fromKenya, Russia and Ethiopia are discouraging. to be clear to those who criticized a previous comments - I am sure that there are clean runners in those countries and dirty US runners who manage not to be caught. And clean runners who are not tested do not gain advantage from a lax testing system.
There was another doping thread on Gudaf Tsegay that was just deleted by the mods. Why is Gudaf Tsegay protected but this thread stays up?