https://tjsgold.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/currants.jpgMob rule wrote:
The currant system works. Like our justice system, our doping rules give a second chance.
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https://tjsgold.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/currants.jpgMob rule wrote:
The currant system works. Like our justice system, our doping rules give a second chance.
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This is a very good point by Kingseekker......I actually was going to discuss this point with Gavin Pavey the other night when I called the Pavey residence.......However...Gavin did not want to discuss it at the time...since it was 3:16am...but I will be sure to bring it up next time I call...
Kingseeker Frampt wrote:
This line of reasoning is part of why I won't wear calf compression sleeves.
[quote]True believer wrote:
Wow, all the dopers come creeping out of their holes to bash True. Is it tough to see an ethically and morally coherent athlete who is much faster than you despite all the crap you stuff yourselves with?[/quo
...Amazing!!!...
.............Some people think a guy... is probably doping..........
....that says... 'bisodium carbonate'... instead of...'sodium bicarbonate'...
....................to refer to BAKING SODA!!!.......
true is a hypocrite, he has stated many times in the past that he eats his bs diet and doesn't drink sugar containing drinks in order to be more healthy and improve performance, how is that any different than drinking beet juice? take a lap ben
True probably won't qualify for a final at the Olympics.
Love how he puts down peds while acknowledging his own dependence on coffee. hypocrisy for days
True is the man!
Prettybad wrote:
FLOWERBLOSSOM wrote:Beetroot juice only works for untrained people. So it has no effect.
Sodium bicarbonate likely has no effect at all as well, especially on triathlon.
He's on the slippery slope fallacy.
although I do like the general idea behind True's thoughts.
What about the F-ing alter-g he was running on? How is that not an advantage that he is using that other people aren't?
It's not that the sport is "fair" or we are on a level playing field, that would require everyone to train the same and never get good, only have access to the same stuff. It's that we agree to the same rules.
Why do people keep going on about the alter-g? It's just a tool. If that's an advantage, than the perfect running trails (and perfect running climate) of East Africa is also a huge advantage. Perhaps, to be fair, all elites should live and train in the same location. I say let's ship everyone to Colorado.
Exactly I'm calling hypocrisy if he is taking such a stance against beetroot juice (which actually does nothing) because it's grey area and unfair, yet running on an alter-g.
cont.. alter g- which actually does something and is definitely "unfair".
I have no problem with the sport being un-level. People have better coaches and environments, which help them become better runners than those with worse.
I have a problem with the sport not having strict rules and abiding by those rules. Grey area is a problem not because of beetroot juice and baking soda, but because of MEDICAL PRESCRIPTIONS being used for things they aren't supposed to be used for. True is right in a sense but he's going all the way to Lawful Lawful Lawful Good territory.
He's definitely not a doper and I am still a fan of him but just don't agree 100% with his thought process.
also kingseeker frampt has the best name on this board.
Saying something like this about your wife publicly is stupid.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Fellow Dartmouth alum Jonathan Gault caught up with True and Nelson over the last few weeks. They have some interesting ideas related to doping.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/04/scarlet-letter-law-fair-play-fund-look-ben-true-adam-nelsons-ideas-cleaner-sport/You've got to feel for Nelson as he was denied Olympic glory by a doper. Plus he said it was infuriating to simply be a thrower as most people just assumed he was dirty.
True's got a personal moral code that goes way beyond the WADA rules. Here is the quote we are making quote of the day.
True said:"My wife usually drinks beetroot juice, which I know a lot of athletes do leading into a competition and she has taken bisodium carbonate (I think True meant sodium bicarbonate) leading into races, both of which are completely legal and fine. But myself, I would never do that because I feel that that is the gray area. I can’t push that belief onto my wife and other people that I know do the same thing because I know that that is perfectly legal and perfectly fine in WADA’s rules.....â€
"If your thyroid condition is due to having a suppressed thyroid due to training hard, then that’s baloney. Everybody who trains hard is going to have lower thyroid levels, decreased testosterone, different hormonal imbalances because you’re stressing your body during training. That’s a slippery slope because you can look at a whole variety of other problems. I think taking medication to artificially balance those levels is cheating."
I applaud Ben, but I would not consider Beetroot juice or Sodium bicarbonate grey area and I don't consider a legit TUE as grey area either. I would not consider breathright strips, compression socks or someone with 40/40 vison running in glasses as grey area as well.
whatanidiot wrote:
So...isn't eating more food or specific foods also artificially balancing levels in your body?
The effects are nothing like EPO or thyroid therapies. We're talking tiny changes vs. enormous ones.
I very much like the scarlet A idea, and I'd take it further.
Copy the ancients.
If a cheater was caught, he was forced to pay for a statue to a god. The cheater's name was inscribed on a plaque, and probably the crime was listed.
Perhaps the athletes had to walk past this hall of shame on the way to their event.
Do this.
Have a hall of shame that travels around to each games. Make it divided by nation to increase the shame. Big photos of the cheaters, with their names.
The man is an idiot. Beetroot juice is nutrition, not doping. Using that logic, he should stop eating all foods containing iron, because they enable his body to produce hemoglobin which we all know helps athletic performance.
Agree, True has come up with the stupidest thoughts related to doping I have ever heard.
Training gives you an advantage buddy.
When it comes to advantages, I would take endless, rolling red dirt roads at 7000' any day over alter-g's and altitude tents.
pop pop...Maybe we should ban eating!......since it could be considered doping...on this forum...
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
whatanidiot wrote:So...isn't eating more food or specific foods also artificially balancing levels in your body?
The effects are nothing like EPO or thyroid therapies. We're talking tiny changes vs. enormous ones.
I don't think we should ban beets or baking soda, but I would like to see people come out against altitude tents.
Always nice to see people go on record as being against TUE and thyroid med abuse.
True believer wrote:
Wow, all the dopers come creeping out of their holes to bash True. Is it tough to see an ethically and morally coherent athlete who is much faster than you despite all the crap you stuff yourselves with?
He's not morally coherent. He drinks coffee - caffeine is an ergogenic aid, but it happens to be legal. And I don't know what on earth he thinks the difference is between taking it in your coffee and taking it in a pill. He's drawn a completely arbitrary line. He also gave an interview where he went on and on about how he doesn't take thyroid meds or any other hormones, and then later in the same interview, he said he takes melatonin. Either he's lying to himself or he's not very smart.
