"Anyone who stands on the starting line at an Olympic final and thinks they're racing against a clean field is delusional."
Does Syymonds have evidence of this?
Is he specifically accusing someone from the London 800 final of doping? Who?
Has he turned any of this inside information over to WADA?
All of the innuendo is tiresome. Lots of smoke. Tell us where the fire is.
The fire? Are you delusional? After the women's 1500 of the 2012 London Olympics everyone should realize how effed up our sport is. Stop being so naive.
noter of finger-pointers wrote:
http://espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=trackandfield&id=15109421"Anyone who stands on the starting line at an Olympic final and thinks they're racing against a clean field is delusional."
Does Syymonds have evidence of this?
Is he specifically accusing someone from the London 800 final of doping? Who?
Has he turned any of this inside information over to WADA?
All of the innuendo is tiresome. Lots of smoke. Tell us where the fire is.
You guys on this site kill me. It's so obvious that you have never been elite, that you have never been near elite, that you have never competed internationally, and that you have never even been in an elite camp, and that you have never even known any elites personally.
I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way to make you understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind person.
You don't believe me. You don't believe anybody else who says the same thing, and it doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, or what they demonstrably know.
I can only guess that many of you are really young, and haven't been around the block. If you're a teenager, fair enough, that's life, I used to be there myself. If you're older, however, say 20 or above, you have no excuse. You should be at the age where you listen and learn, not where you recite glib mantras to assuage your sense of insecurity in the world.
In a way, it's nice that you don't believe, because that shows me that you haven't been directly exposed to the crap. It's not a pretty picture. Like Nick says, it's dirty, and it's filthy--and I'm talking about the moral and ethical dimension. Really, it's the same as anything in life, but the results of malfeasance are more direct, and the punishment if caught is knowable in advance and relatively benign, therefore the scum rises to the top.
When you get to be as old as I am, depending on your life experiences, you may find that the same dynamic plays out in many other areas, from business to clergy. The only difference in track is that the results are on display for everyone to see, directly.
Everyone who knows, deals with the truth in their own way. There is a full range of responses, from avoidance to denial to everything else, even among those in charge of doping control, sanction, and governing bodies. Since I recognized a while ago that there is little success to be made in educating those who do not wish to be educated, and also that there is an innocent purity among the young that maybe should not be disturbed, I have stopped throwing it in your faces.
But the world grinds on, and we get others doing it, like Symmonds. How you deal with it will be up to you. Hopefully the way you view the situation, and the way you act, will change as you mature--but some advice: be real but not bitter, and have respect for the innocence of kids.
some biological knowledge and you know that the probability of the 1st place to be clean is
Stop speaking in generalities..oh, and stop justifying the dirty runners. It does not matter where you come from, a cheat is a cheat.
Yup. Gottem wrote:
The fire? Are you delusional? After the women's 1500 of the 2012 London Olympics everyone should realize how effed up our sport is. Stop being so naive.
noter of finger-pointers wrote:http://espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=trackandfield&id=15109421"Anyone who stands on the starting line at an Olympic final and thinks they're racing against a clean field is delusional."
Does Syymonds have evidence of this?
Is he specifically accusing someone from the London 800 final of doping? Who?
Has he turned any of this inside information over to WADA?
All of the innuendo is tiresome. Lots of smoke. Tell us where the fire is.
I'll help-OP is not disputing Symmonds' claims, he's just saying that Symmonds does a lot of talking yet made no apparent attempt at providing details that could help better the sport to any governing body. I suppose either way, nobody wants to be seen as a snitch, and basing an accusation on intuition ("Awe but he's too good to be clean!") is a bit unprofessional.
Good! Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the butthurt flow through you!
nick symmonds is speaking the truth.most elite,and even second tier track and fielders are doped up to the eyeballs,and probably most or many elite sportspeople in other sports as well.of course some drugs are more potent than others,with nastier side effects,and some drugs work better than others.track and field,cycling,american football,and weightlifting are a cesspit of drugs and drug cheats,as well as bribes,and corruption.many swimmers are on the gear,too.alain bernard the french freestyler is the most blatent example of high dose steroid use ive ever seen on a swimmer,and he got away with it.
Meanwhile, he's the owner of a company that promotes and solicits a stimulant to athletes. #rungum
You know who wrote:
You guys on this site kill me. It's so obvious that you have never been elite, that you have never been near elite, that you have never competed internationally, and that you have never even been in an elite camp, and that you have never even known any elites personally.
I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way to make you understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind person.
You don't believe me. You don't believe anybody else who says the same thing, and it doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, or what they demonstrably know.
I can only guess that many of you are really young, and haven't been around the block. If you're a teenager, fair enough, that's life, I used to be there myself. If you're older, however, say 20 or above, you have no excuse. You should be at the age where you listen and learn, not where you recite glib mantras to assuage your sense of insecurity in the world.
In a way, it's nice that you don't believe, because that shows me that you haven't been directly exposed to the crap. It's not a pretty picture. Like Nick says, it's dirty, and it's filthy--and I'm talking about the moral and ethical dimension. Really, it's the same as anything in life, but the results of malfeasance are more direct, and the punishment if caught is knowable in advance and relatively benign, therefore the scum rises to the top.
When you get to be as old as I am, depending on your life experiences, you may find that the same dynamic plays out in many other areas, from business to clergy. The only difference in track is that the results are on display for everyone to see, directly.
Everyone who knows, deals with the truth in their own way. There is a full range of responses, from avoidance to denial to everything else, even among those in charge of doping control, sanction, and governing bodies. Since I recognized a while ago that there is little success to be made in educating those who do not wish to be educated, and also that there is an innocent purity among the young that maybe should not be disturbed, I have stopped throwing it in your faces.
But the world grinds on, and we get others doing it, like Symmonds. How you deal with it will be up to you. Hopefully the way you view the situation, and the way you act, will change as you mature--but some advice: be real but not bitter, and have respect for the innocence of kids.
You used a lot of words to say very little
jeff tallon wrote:
nick symmonds is speaking the truth.most elite,and even second tier track and fielders are doped up to the eyeballs,and probably most or many elite sportspeople in other sports as well.of course some drugs are more potent than others,with nastier side effects,and some drugs work better than others.track and field,cycling,american football,and weightlifting are a cesspit of drugs and drug cheats,as well as bribes,and corruption.many swimmers are on the gear,too.alain bernard the french freestyler is the most blatent example of high dose steroid use ive ever seen on a swimmer,and he got away with it.
It's mind boggling to me that anyone could take issue with what Nick said, especially given all of the positive tests results over the last year or two.
Its pretty obvious if you follow the sport at all that there is a lot of PED use.
The evidence is the positives the come out and when we always retroactively find how past athletes used and passed tests.
As for specific individuals at any given time, I am sure he doesn't have good personal evidence to name any names and put him self in a position of falsely accusing someone.
I can see he innuendo being tiresome, though.
It really doesn't get you anywhere.
bigtool05 wrote:
You know who wrote:You guys on this site kill me. It's so obvious that you have never been elite, that you have never been near elite, that you have never competed internationally, and that you have never even been in an elite camp, and that you have never even known any elites personally.
I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way to make you understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind person.
You don't believe me. You don't believe anybody else who says the same thing, and it doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, or what they demonstrably know.
I can only guess that many of you are really young, and haven't been around the block. If you're a teenager, fair enough, that's life, I used to be there myself. If you're older, however, say 20 or above, you have no excuse. You should be at the age where you listen and learn, not where you recite glib mantras to assuage your sense of insecurity in the world.
In a way, it's nice that you don't believe, because that shows me that you haven't been directly exposed to the crap. It's not a pretty picture. Like Nick says, it's dirty, and it's filthy--and I'm talking about the moral and ethical dimension. Really, it's the same as anything in life, but the results of malfeasance are more direct, and the punishment if caught is knowable in advance and relatively benign, therefore the scum rises to the top.
When you get to be as old as I am, depending on your life experiences, you may find that the same dynamic plays out in many other areas, from business to clergy. The only difference in track is that the results are on display for everyone to see, directly.
Everyone who knows, deals with the truth in their own way. There is a full range of responses, from avoidance to denial to everything else, even among those in charge of doping control, sanction, and governing bodies. Since I recognized a while ago that there is little success to be made in educating those who do not wish to be educated, and also that there is an innocent purity among the young that maybe should not be disturbed, I have stopped throwing it in your faces.
But the world grinds on, and we get others doing it, like Symmonds. How you deal with it will be up to you. Hopefully the way you view the situation, and the way you act, will change as you mature--but some advice: be real but not bitter, and have respect for the innocence of kids.
You used a lot of words to say very little
Exactly my thoughts. What is the point you are making here "You know who".
Simply believing everything is corrupt and everyone is dirty doesn't make you wise and all-knowing. It just makes you a cynic, and quite bitter.
Unless you have evidence that all elites are doping, this goes for Mr Nick '1:42' Symmonds himself, why are you (or Symmonds) any smarter than the people that believe most athletes are clean?
Makes me really suspicious when athletes come out and claim all their competition are dirty, personally. Firstly it cries sore loser, and then makes you think what is this athlete doing to feel they are on a level playing field with the others? Being from a developed country doesn't mean Symmonds is clean. And there is as much evidence against him as there is against the other 800m guys (none).
they lie possibly because many of them are very narcissistic,sociopathic or self centred,in a ruthless cut throat sporting culture.ive been building my body for years,and i can instantly spot athletes on drugs.physiques too ripped,too lean,too shredded,too vascular,unnatural looking shoulders ,adams apples on too many women,strange looking chins,and jaws,the list goes on.its not always about size,either.not everyone can become huge.
'In a way, it's nice that you don't believe, because that shows me that you haven't been directly exposed to the crap. It's not a pretty picture. Like Nick says, it's dirty, and it's filthy--and I'm talking about the moral and ethical dimension.'
So do you think Nick is clean?
bigtool05 wrote:
You know who wrote:But the world grinds on, and we get others doing it, like Symmonds. How you deal with it will be up to you. Hopefully the way you view the situation, and the way you act, will change as you mature--but some advice: be real but not bitter, and have respect for the innocence of kids.
You used a lot of words to say very little
blo·vi·ate
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talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
jeff tallon wrote:
they lie possibly because many of them are very narcissistic,sociopathic or self centred,in a ruthless cut throat sporting culture.ive been building my body for years,and i can instantly spot athletes on drugs.physiques too ripped,too lean,too shredded,too vascular,unnatural looking shoulders ,adams apples on too many women,strange looking chins,and jaws,the list goes on.its not always about size,either.not everyone can become huge.
What a skill, please tell us who is clean based on your x-ray vision?
You know who wrote:
You guys on this site kill me. It's so obvious that you have never been elite, that you have never been near elite, that you have never competed internationally, and that you have never even been in an elite camp, and that you have never even known any elites personally.
I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way to make you understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind person.
You don't believe me. You don't believe anybody else who says the same thing, and it doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, or what they demonstrably know.
I can only guess that many of you are really young, and haven't been around the block. If you're a teenager, fair enough, that's life, I used to be there myself. If you're older, however, say 20 or above, you have no excuse. You should be at the age where you listen and learn, not where you recite glib mantras to assuage your sense of insecurity in the world.
In a way, it's nice that you don't believe, because that shows me that you haven't been directly exposed to the crap. It's not a pretty picture. Like Nick says, it's dirty, and it's filthy--and I'm talking about the moral and ethical dimension. Really, it's the same as anything in life, but the results of malfeasance are more direct, and the punishment if caught is knowable in advance and relatively benign, therefore the scum rises to the top.
When you get to be as old as I am, depending on your life experiences, you may find that the same dynamic plays out in many other areas, from business to clergy. The only difference in track is that the results are on display for everyone to see, directly.
Everyone who knows, deals with the truth in their own way. There is a full range of responses, from avoidance to denial to everything else, even among those in charge of doping control, sanction, and governing bodies. Since I recognized a while ago that there is little success to be made in educating those who do not wish to be educated, and also that there is an innocent purity among the young that maybe should not be disturbed, I have stopped throwing it in your faces.
But the world grinds on, and we get others doing it, like Symmonds. How you deal with it will be up to you. Hopefully the way you view the situation, and the way you act, will change as you mature--but some advice: be real but not bitter, and have respect for the innocence of kids.
this is meaningless. who are you? do you have any idea what you're talking about? and even if you tell us that you're going to have to spell out your vague innuendo a little clearer. clergy?? educating those who do not wish to be educated?? this is nonsense.
You know who wrote:
You guys on this site kill me. It's so obvious that you have never been elite, that you have never been near elite, that you have never competed internationally, and that you have never even been in an elite camp, and that you have never even known any elites personally.
I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way to make you understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind person.
You don't believe me. You don't believe anybody else who says the same thing, and it doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, or what they demonstrably know.
I can only guess that many of you are really young, and haven't been around the block. If you're a teenager, fair enough, that's life, I used to be there myself. If you're older, however, say 20 or above, you have no excuse. You should be at the age where you listen and learn, not where you recite glib mantras to assuage your sense of insecurity in the world.
In a way, it's nice that you don't believe, because that shows me that you haven't been directly exposed to the crap. It's not a pretty picture. Like Nick says, it's dirty, and it's filthy--and I'm talking about the moral and ethical dimension. Really, it's the same as anything in life, but the results of malfeasance are more direct, and the punishment if caught is knowable in advance and relatively benign, therefore the scum rises to the top.
When you get to be as old as I am, depending on your life experiences, you may find that the same dynamic plays out in many other areas, from business to clergy. The only difference in track is that the results are on display for everyone to see, directly.
Everyone who knows, deals with the truth in their own way. There is a full range of responses, from avoidance to denial to everything else, even among those in charge of doping control, sanction, and governing bodies. Since I recognized a while ago that there is little success to be made in educating those who do not wish to be educated, and also that there is an innocent purity among the young that maybe should not be disturbed, I have stopped throwing it in your faces.
But the world grinds on, and we get others doing it, like Symmonds. How you deal with it will be up to you. Hopefully the way you view the situation, and the way you act, will change as you mature--but some advice: be real but not bitter, and have respect for the innocence of kids.
Well put.
Concur.
aaa Duck wrote:
You know who wrote:You guys on this site kill me. It's so obvious that you have never been elite, that you have never been near elite, that you have never competed internationally, and that you have never even been in an elite camp, and that you have never even known any elites personally.
I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way to make you understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind person.
You don't believe me. You don't believe anybody else who says the same thing, and it doesn't matter who they are, what their background is, or what they demonstrably know.
I can only guess that many of you are really young, and haven't been around the block. If you're a teenager, fair enough, that's life, I used to be there myself. If you're older, however, say 20 or above, you have no excuse. You should be at the age where you listen and learn, not where you recite glib mantras to assuage your sense of insecurity in the world.
In a way, it's nice that you don't believe, because that shows me that you haven't been directly exposed to the crap. It's not a pretty picture. Like Nick says, it's dirty, and it's filthy--and I'm talking about the moral and ethical dimension. Really, it's the same as anything in life, but the results of malfeasance are more direct, and the punishment if caught is knowable in advance and relatively benign, therefore the scum rises to the top.
When you get to be as old as I am, depending on your life experiences, you may find that the same dynamic plays out in many other areas, from business to clergy. The only difference in track is that the results are on display for everyone to see, directly.
Everyone who knows, deals with the truth in their own way. There is a full range of responses, from avoidance to denial to everything else, even among those in charge of doping control, sanction, and governing bodies. Since I recognized a while ago that there is little success to be made in educating those who do not wish to be educated, and also that there is an innocent purity among the young that maybe should not be disturbed, I have stopped throwing it in your faces.
But the world grinds on, and we get others doing it, like Symmonds. How you deal with it will be up to you. Hopefully the way you view the situation, and the way you act, will change as you mature--but some advice: be real but not bitter, and have respect for the innocence of kids.
Well put.
Concur.
Agreed.
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RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
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