Webb's 10k put in perspective

German's 10K time does not affect my feelings towards Webb's.

Just my two cents.

Who?

Helpful advice giver wrote:

German's 10K time does not affect my feelings towards Webb's.

Just my two cents.

agreed.

Webb is the GOAT American miler hands down. Sorry to Ryun fanbois and their weak cinder track pleas. His AR isn't going down for a looooong time. Until 2030 at minimum.

His 10k however isn't a GOAT performance. Neither is Germans. I would refrain from comparing the two in a non-marquee event that is raced rarely.

Centro and Manzano have both run 3:30. 3:46.9 is right around 3:30 for 1500m so there's no reason to think that the AR is "safe".

Lurker12345 wrote:

Webb is the GOAT American miler hands down. Sorry to Ryun fanbois and their weak cinder track pleas. His AR isn't going down for a looooong time. Until 2030 at minimum.

Troll or no?

Do you really believe Webb wasn't on EPO?

Webb was on pure HATE

Devil Dog wrote:

Lurker12345 wrote:

Webb is the GOAT American miler hands down. Sorry to Ryun fanbois and their weak cinder track pleas. His AR isn't going down for a looooong time. Until 2030 at minimum.

Troll or no?

Do you really believe Webb wasn't on EPO?

What a useless attempt at trolling

Lurker12345 wrote:

Webb is the GOAT American miler hands down. Sorry to Ryun fanbois and their weak cinder track pleas. His AR isn't going down for a looooong time. Until 2030 at minimum.

His 10k however isn't a GOAT performance. Neither is Germans. I would refrain from comparing the two in a non-marquee event that is raced rarely.

Also, there's this ...

25 3:47.69 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Oslo 07.07.1982

48 3:48.53 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Oslo 26.06.1982

55 3:48.73 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Oslo 05.07.1986

75 3:49.21 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Berlin 17.08.1983

95 3:49.49 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Oslo 09.07.1983

113 3:49.68 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 3 Oslo 11.07.1981

116 3:49.72 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Koblenz 25.08.1982

144 3:49.93 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 4 Oslo 27.07.1985

150 3:50.01 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Koblenz 31.08.1983

159 3:50.09 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 5 Oslo 02.07.1988

180 3:50.28 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Roma 10.09.1986

287 3:50.99 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Cork 13.07.1983

301 3:51.11 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Oslo 17.07.1979

341 3:51.48 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 3 Bruxelles 28.08.1981

351 3:51.56 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 London 23.07.1983

439 3:52.13 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Nice 15.07.1986

472 3:52.26 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Villanova 30.05.1981

491 3:52.36 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Berlin 21.08.1987

527 3:52.50 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Westwood 10.05.1981

536 3:52.53 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Berkeley 12.06.1983

569 3:52.68 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Westwood 16.05.1982

574 3:52.7 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2= Bruxelles 22.08.1980

638 3:52.92 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 London 25.08.1980

642 3:52.93 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 3 Stockholm 03.07.1978

660 3:52.99 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Westwood 13.05.1984

691 3:53.1 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Westwood 11.05.1980

704 3:53.16 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Westwood 15.05.1983

714 3:53.20 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Westwood 18.05.1985

763 3:53.39 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Philadelphia 30.06.1979

825 3:53.59 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Stockholm 07.07.1980

826 3:53.6 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Westwood 05.06.1988

855 3:53.66 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Berlin 17.08.1984

878 3:53.74 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Auckland 02.03.1985

894 3:53.8 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 3 Oslo 27.06.1978

894 3:53.8 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Dublin 27.08.1980

912 3:53.83 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 New York City 22.07.1989

934 3:53.92 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Irvine 25.03.1978

948 3:53.98 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 8 Zürich 19.08.1981

963 3:54.04 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 London 08.08.1986

982 3:54.1 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1r1 Nice 17.08.1980

982 3:54.1 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Berkeley 12.06.1982

995 3:54.13 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 3 Villeneuve d'Ascq 01.07.1991

1079 3:54.44 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Eugene 21.07.1984

1180 3:54.75 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Dublin 14.07.1981

1220 3:54.87 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Auckland 30.01.1982

1296 3:55.1 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Philadelphia 30.04.1977

1296 3:55.1 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Kingston 11.05.1979

1337 3:55.2 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Modesto 16.05.1981

1357 3:55.26 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Des Moines 27.04.1979

1401 3:55.37 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 San José 28.05.1983

1451 3:55.49 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Cork 05.07.1988

1542 3:55.7 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Berlin 18.08.1978

1632 3:55.91 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Melbourne 14.01.1982

1646 3:55.95 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 5 Stockholm 04.07.1977

1648 3:55.96 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Stockholm 03.07.1979

1655 3:55.98 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Berlin 21.08.1981

1696 3:56.06 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 San Diego 25.06.1988

1787 3:56.26 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Dublin 10.07.1979

1800 3:56.29 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Auckland 22.01.1983

1801 3:56.3 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Berkeley 01.06.1980

1822 3:56.34 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 8 Athínai 07.09.1990

1859 3:56.40 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Berkeley 14.07.1984

1919 3:56.5 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 San José 25.05.1985

2160 3:56.91 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Westwood 06.05.1979

2183 3:56.97 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 1 Berkeley 13.06.1981

2246 3:57.05 Steve Scott USA 05.05.56 2 Westwood 17.05.1986

That is a LOT of 1s. I count 42. I had to stop at 3:57 because there were 72 MORE. 72 MORE just in the Mile. 72 MORE just under 4:00.

Ryun was better than both of them, but be research-oriented before you shoot off your mouth about something like that.

+ beat Ritz

Post of the year so far!

I wouldn't measure an athlete's success by the number of times they run slower than their PR. When it comes down to it, Webb took down Scott's best time. Judging purely based on speed and/or talent, Webb is the ultimate GOAT.

The number of times an athlete runs slower than their PR is EQUAL TO how many races they run. So, no, I would not judge anybody by that either. I was judging him by how many times he ran ...

sub 3:50 (8) and

ran 3:50 (4) and

ran 3:51 (3) and

ran 3:52 (10) and

ran 3:53 (13) and

ran 3:54 (7) and

ran 3:55 (11) and

... well I think you get it, maybe you don't.

By your measure, wouldn't Lagat be the "ultimate GOAT"? Or would that be the "super ultimate GOAT" in your parlance?

Lurker12345 wrote:

I wouldn't measure an athlete's success by the number of times they run slower than their PR. When it comes down to it, Webb took down Scott's best time. Judging purely based on speed and/or talent, Webb is the ultimate GOAT.

How many times did Webb run slower than his PR?

Lurker12345 wrote:

Webb is the GOAT American miler hands down.

Nope. He's barely in the top 10.

Ryun

Cunningham

Scott

Liquori

Centrowitz Jr

Spivey

Sheppard

Santee

Manzano

Webb

Lurker12345 wrote:

Sorry to Ryun fanbois and their weak cinder track pleas.

The Overexplainer wrote:

The number of times an athlete runs slower than their PR is EQUAL TO how many races they run.

No, it's the number of races they run, minus one.

Unless they exactly tie their pr,then it might be minus two or three.

Overexplainer ..where did you pull those numbers; I've looked at the all-time website and thought Scott only went 5x under 3:50..? Could you also display the same type of list for John Walker..,?

Helpful advice giver wrote:

German's 10K time does not affect my feelings towards Webb's.

Just my two cents.

+1. German's 10K time doesn't change how I feel about Webb's 10K. Webb's 10K was awesome and was the result of a prolonged stretch of injury free running. My feeling is that Webb came close to reaching his potential time-wise from 800 to mile, but underachieved in the 5000 (due to injuries and other priorities).

Whether German can stay injury free and build from here remains to be seen.

smile wrote:

Lurker12345 wrote:

Webb is the GOAT American miler hands down.

Nope. He's barely in the top 10.

Ryun

Cunningham

Scott

Liquori

Centrowitz Jr

Spivey

Sheppard

Santee

Manzano

Webb

Lurker12345 wrote:

Sorry to Ryun fanbois and their weak cinder track pleas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COaMKbNrX0&t=3m19shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2ANRbiiH8&t=25m43shttp://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/does-drafting-help-in-running

If we give Ryun the generous (in my opinion) 1.5% alluded to in that video then his mile would be 3:47.6. So Webb's mile record would stand.