Steve Cram wins the gold medal for self-serving, nauseating sycophancy

Thanks -- I'm gonna print that.Coe's a man of words, for sure, and some of them, like "declaration of war", and "so-called experts", were not his best. Time will tell if his actions match his stated intentions.If there's one complaint I agree with, everything seems to take a long time. Handing out medals 10 years after the fact does not restore lost careers.

Hold on. I didn't mention such a rule. I merely pointed out parallels between Radcliffe and Armstrong.

Moreover, I didn't talk about "youth excellence", but about earlier careers.

See for yourself:

Between 1995 and 2000 (age 21 - 26), she merely improved her 5000 m time from 14:49 to 14:44, and then made, within one year, a jump to 14:32. That is far from normal. In addition to convicted drug cheat Armstrong, convicted drug cheat Baumann and Farah have comparable progressions.

Again, I merely pointed out parallels.

Again, I did not say that. I merely pointed out parallels.

Well, both Paula and IAAF denied to show more data. Both also denied to actually discuss the facts; they simply gave vague statements her numbers are high, but hemoconcentration causes increased numbers, so her numbers can be explained by hemoconcentration. A validation would include actually mentioning all these numbers, I'd think.

Oh? I thought we all knew that IAAF covered up these off-scores, until Seppelt/the Telegraph exposed these off-scores.

Yes. Also the same Dr. Saugy, who instructed Armstrong how to defeat the EPO test. WADA still supporting Saugy speaks volumes about WADA, doesn't it.

Well, Paula really had these highly suspicious off-scores, and threatened lawsuits if the journalists/newspapers would reveal her name. That's why I wrote "people wanting to reveal the truth".

So - didn't you just write that you try to be objective? Then why do you twist my words, and act as Paula's lawyer?

...I'm sorry...I stumbled on the wrong thread by mistake...it looked the same!

Check this out from wiki on Jo Pavey:

Born in Honiton, Devon, since 1987 Jo Pavey (née Davis) has been a member of Exeter Harriers Athletics Club in Devon, England. In March 1988 she started to be coached by the middle distance coach Tony White.

In July 1988 she won the English Schools 1500 m title in a British record (under 15). Running for Devon, she finished eight places and 13 seconds ahead of Paula Radcliffe, running for Bedfordshire.[3] Pavey then won the AAAs national U15 800 m and 1500 m titles in 1988 and the AAAs national U17 800 & 1500 m titles in 1990.

Pavey made her senior international debut in 1997. After finishing her degree in physiotherapy, she spent the off-season backpacking, which meant an irregular training schedule. Over the course of the season she went from a national ranking of 22nd for the 1500 m to the British national title.[4][5] At the 1997 World Championships in Athens, she reached the semi-finals.

A six time national champion in the women's 5000 m, as of 2014 she is second on the British all-time list for 5000 m with a time of 14 minutes 39.96 seconds and the fastest at 3000 m indoors. She first moved up to the 5000 m in 2000, after coming back from a two-year absence caused by hip and knee injuries.[6] In her first race at the distance she comfortably achieved the Olympic qualifying standard.[7] This meant she was selected for the British team for the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney. Pavey reached the Olympic final, where she improved her personal best by 10 seconds to finish 12th.[8]

Pavey's Olympic performance made her the fourth fastest British woman of all time over 5000 m, and she entered the 2001 season with the aim of rivalling the national record.[9] She spent the winter doing warm weather training in South Africa. Having trained for only half an hour a day during much of the 2000 season due to injury worries, Pavey built up to three hours training a day.[9] However, a shin injury meant she missed the first month of her season.[10] Her first race of the year was the 3,000 m in a meeting at Lausanne, in which she finished seventh.[11] Two weeks later she won the British 5,000 m title, and in doing so gained selection for the World Championships in Edmonton.[12] A meeting at Crystal Palace served as preparation for the World Championships, but Pavey finished well down the field, 31 seconds behind victor Paula Radcliffe.[13]

The women's 5,000 m at the Edmonton championships featured a controversy over the participation of Olga Yegorova, who had tested positive for erythropoietin (EPO), but had her suspension overturned. Several athletes, including the British team, discussed whether to boycott the event, but decided against it.[14] Pavey wore a red ribbon while competing, as part of Paula Radcliffe's campaign for the introduction of mandatory blood testing. Speaking about the issue after her heat, in which she finished second, Pavey said "We all wore the red ribbons because we are in favour of blood tests for EPO. I don't want to line up against a cheat. It's not a level playing field out there and we just want it to be clean."[15] Pavey finished 11th in the final, which was won by Yegorova.[16]

Jo Pavey was better than Paula when they were young and still the 2nd fastest British woman ever, behind Paula...and Jo Pavey is still transparent with her blood test results...which look absolutely normal.

Look at this photo of Jo Pavey:

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1029364/abeylegesse-confirmed-as-one-of-iaaf-28-as-pavey-stands-by-for-10000m-world-medal

..........Jo Pavey is the real deal!!!.....

larkimm wrote:

For clarity, casual observer only thinks Gosper and Nuzman are ethically dubious. So that's 2 out of 7. Even if your black and white facts are accurate (and I don't know either way), 2 / 7 doesn't make up a majority does it?

Which casual observer? Well, clerk concluded - after providing references: "Too many (2) politicians with history of corruption. Some well-meaning individuals that come with a history of political inability/inaction. Some powerful intellects, but only one (in my opinion) that combines those qualities into an effective enforcer of Ethics. Two others where I couldn't find enough accessible (English) information."

+ about the head of the committee: "So he had a year, and still failed, to uncover what WADA did in a few months." And he has a history of fighting for convicted drug cheats.

That's a terrible Ethics Committee. There should be zero with a corruption and pro-doping history on there. If one wanted to fight corruption and doping, one would never put such people on there. But yeah, Coe is in charge, so I am not surprised. That you defend that, was also to be expected.

rjm33 wrote:

...I'm sorry...I stumbled on the wrong thread by mistake...it looked the same!

Yes. I stayed away from that Paula thread for a while, as we kept going in infinite circles. Oh well, now I got drawn back into it.