How fast could a top mid-d guy run 100m from blocks?

To give a little prospective in college, I ran 1:56 for 800m and ran 11.8 for 100m and 23.8 for 200m.

One of my teammates who was more of a 400/800 guy went 49/1:54 for an 8 and ran a 22.8 for 200m. In high school he ran 11.35

Our top 800m guy was 1:49. He split 48 lows maybe even a couple 47 highs. I feel really confident in saying he could've dropped an 11.0 cause he would smoke me in 200m repeats. Like by 2-3 seconds. We had another guy who was a 400m hurdler/800m runner and he was good for 47.5/1:51 and he could keep up with the sprinters on the days he practiced with them.

Thus I feel like the very top 800m guys could go around 10.6.

No, not even close. The very top, maybe 10.90 FAT&Blocks, maybe. You have no clue the power needed to sprint the first half of the 100.

Unless you are talking HT with rolling start...

Dafuq wrote:

No, not even close. The very top, maybe 10.90 FAT&Blocks, maybe. You have no clue the power needed to sprint the first half of the 100.

Unless you are talking HT with rolling start...

You're absolutely right about the IAAF's incorrect listing of Lewondowski's 10.64. Thanks for link. Saved me looking.

I know Coe ran a 21.6 200m all out in training, at end of a series of 200s in 81, the same year he ran a 400 relay leg in 45.6. He also allegedly ran an 11.0 from standing start (not sure if from blocks) on a cinder track at Loughborough. So I would think he'd probably have been capable of 11.0 FAT with a bit of practice using blocks.

There should be a few more speed based elite 800 runners, maybe Amos or Juantorena, who could have run a few tenths faster. I would doubt any of today's elite milers would get below about 11.4. Maybe Soulieman or Makhloufi.

Dafuq wrote:

No, not even close. The very top, maybe 10.90 FAT&Blocks, maybe. You have no clue the power needed to sprint the first half of the 100.

Unless you are talking HT with rolling start...

You have no clue the power needed to run sub 1:47 800 or sub 48 400, which most top mid d guys can do. Could Rupp run sub 11? No. He's a distance guy. Could Rudisha, Aman, Loxsom, Symmonds, most top mid d guys run sub 11? Most likely. As someone mentioned earlier, 10.6 - 11.2 would be the range. Most would fall around 10.8/10.9

I think you misunderstand what power is. The power required to get out of the blocks and 30m into the 100m at sub 11 pace fast exceeds the maximum power required to run 1:47 or 48 (not top times BTW). The energy requirements of the latter, sure. But the power requirements of the 100m far exceeds any other outdoor running event. Hence 100m runners are big, strong and lift weights to get powerful...

Amos probably can break 11.0 from the blocks, but I would be incredibly surprised at any true 800m runner running 10.6 or faster. I think the distance minded posters on here forget how much faster 0.1 is in the 100m. 11.0 to 10.6 is the same difference from 1:50.0 to 1:46.0.

id say most super elite 1500 metre runners would probably break 11 seconds in the 100,and 800 metre specialists would be faster,still..youll get really unusual guys like alberto juanterena who came from a sprint background.i believe he could have run 10.3/20.6 at his absolute peak,but most 800 metre runners cant come close to that.i think sebastian coe ran a 21.3 200 metres once.

jeff tallon wrote:

id say most super elite 1500 metre runners would probably break 11 seconds in the 100,and 800 metre specialists would be faster,still..youll get really unusual guys like alberto juanterena who came from a sprint background.i believe he could have run 10.3/20.6 at his absolute peak,but most 800 metre runners cant come close to that.i think sebastian coe ran a 21.3 200 metres once.

1500m runners? Hahaha nope. There's maybe a handfull of top 800m guys right now that could do it, maybe. Juanturena could run 10.2x if he focused on sprints, but maybe not, that's why he was running longer events.

Handfull? I mean more like a couple.

Dafuq wrote:

jeff tallon wrote:

id say most super elite 1500 metre runners would probably break 11 seconds in the 100,and 800 metre specialists would be faster,still..youll get really unusual guys like alberto juanterena who came from a sprint background.i believe he could have run 10.3/20.6 at his absolute peak,but most 800 metre runners cant come close to that.i think sebastian coe ran a 21.3 200 metres once.

1500m runners? Hahaha nope. There's maybe a handfull of top 800m guys right now that could do it, maybe. Juanturena could run 10.2x if he focused on sprints, but maybe not, that's why he was running longer events.

Absolutely no chance for guys who focus on the 1500m. A combination of lack of blocks practice, a lack of power, lack of acceleration and average reaction times means breaking 11s would be very very tough for 800/1500m guys. That doesn't mean they are slow, many have impressive top speeds, but that is not good enough for the 100m. I'd bet there are quite a few top guys that would have broken 22, but 11 no way.

Juantorena was insanely fast once he got rolling, but if I remember correctly he was a pretty terrible starter because of his height so he may not have been great at 100m (though I'd still expect him to run somewhere around 10.3)

sub 11 is easy for the top wrote:

Dafuq wrote:

No, not even close. The very top, maybe 10.90 FAT&Blocks, maybe. You have no clue the power needed to sprint the first half of the 100.

Unless you are talking HT with rolling start...

sub 11 is easy for the top wrote:

You have no clue the power needed to run sub 1:47 800 or sub 48 400, which most top mid d guys can do. Could Rupp run sub 11? No. He's a distance guy. Could Rudisha, Aman, Loxsom, Symmonds, most top mid d guys run sub 11? Most likely. As someone mentioned earlier, 10.6 - 11.2 would be the range. Most would fall around 10.8/10.9

Oh yes, please tell me more how Lewd was a 10.6 guy lmao. Idiot, the power required for sprint block/acceleration mechanics far exceeds the ones in any equivalent 400m run (not even gonna bother with longer stuff). Mid-d runners simply can not generate this type of forces and it will severely impair them in an standard 100m (hence the difference in physiques,strength and power training focus in training, even between 100m vs 400m). Rudisha could maybe break 11 FAT from blocks right now, maybe. IF he would train for sprints he could maybe ran an 10.6-ish but he wouldn't be much of a sprinter then...

sub 11 is easy for the top wrote:

Dafuq wrote:

No, not even close. The very top, maybe 10.90 FAT&Blocks, maybe. You have no clue the power needed to sprint the first half of the 100.

Unless you are talking HT with rolling start...

You have no clue the power needed to run sub 1:47 800 or sub 48 400, which most top mid d guys can do. Could Rupp run sub 11? No. He's a distance guy. Could Rudisha, Aman, Loxsom, Symmonds, most top mid d guys run sub 11? Most likely. As someone mentioned earlier, 10.6 - 11.2 would be the range. Most would fall around 10.8/10.9

You are outside your mind if you think Nick Symmonds of all people could break 11

bigtool05 wrote:

sub 11 is easy for the top wrote:

You have no clue the power needed to run sub 1:47 800 or sub 48 400, which most top mid d guys can do. Could Rupp run sub 11? No. He's a distance guy. Could Rudisha, Aman, Loxsom, Symmonds, most top mid d guys run sub 11? Most likely. As someone mentioned earlier, 10.6 - 11.2 would be the range. Most would fall around 10.8/10.9

You are outside your mind if you think Nick Symmonds of all people could break 11

When any of these 800 guys talk about running the 100m, they are almost always referring to rolling or flying starts. They CANNOT run a decent 100m time with a blocks start.

Alberto Juantorena had supreme speed, once he reached it. Perhaps the highest top speed out of an 800m guy ever. But he still could not sprint start well, and certainly not well enough to run anywhere close to 10.3. Just no chance.

If you take his best 400m and model him as a pure sprinter (therefore giving him a faster 200m than he likely could have run, being an 800m guy) then his best 200m was likely in the region of:

44.26 - 3.5 ÷ 2 = 20.38

20.38 ÷ 2 = 10.19

This is using well known conversions for sprinting.

So that 10.19 would rely on him having the start and drive of a sprinter. Now if we return to the real world, Juantorena was slim, 6ft 2 and would clearly have nowhere near the start of a sprinter and so both his 200m and especially his 100m would be MUCH slower. His 400m was so fast because of his strength, watch his first 50m.

I'd estimate 10.5 for El Caballo at best. And please nobody comment saying 10.3 is close to 10.5 because it is not.

11.7

Lol.

You have problems with reading and semantics don't you?

The poster said IVD was MORE than 3 secs slower than the real ELITES. Notice the S at the end of the word elites. That is called pluralisation.

The poster is saying that 2 or more styles are running 1:40.7 or faster now. This is false. There isn't a single person who has run more than 3 secs faster than IVD, and only 1 person who has run more than 2.8secs faster. Of the current crop of elites, apart from Rudisha, only 1 person has run 2.0 secs faster than IVD did 40 years ago on slower tracks.

The London track would be a few tenths faster over 800m than the one in Montreal 40 years ago.

You have also stated recently on another thread that Juantorena's time in that same race was worth several tenths faster due to running the first 300m in lanes. So there's yet another example of your contradictory comments. Take time off for Juantorena running in lanes but not for IVD!

IVD also ran that 1:43.8 after rounds, which you keep telling us effects their times detrimentally.

IVD would be a likely finalist in major champs today.

Elite mid-d guys should run a faster 400m than the 100m.

That should have read, "2 or more athletes are running 1:40.7...."

Mo Farah is definitely one of the top in 1500, yet he just ran a 12.98.

Dafuq wrote:

No, not even close. The very top, maybe 10.90 FAT&Blocks, maybe. You have no clue the power needed to sprint the first half of the 100.

Unless you are talking HT with rolling start...

LOL. You are so wrong, but so convinced you are right. Millennial much?

Solomon ran a 10.84, in March, without ever training specifically for the 100.