Shocker ;) Sunday Times investigation reveals “evidence of an organised drugs culture” in Russian swimming

Not quite so blatant as in 1994, when the Chinese women’s team turned up from virtually out of nowhere to compete in the World swimming championships - and won 12 of the available 16 gold medals up for grabs.

The Aussies were waiting for them at the next championships and when they found 13 vials of muscle-building human growth hormone in Yuan Yuan's bag, with the Beijing Olympics bid on the horizon, it was the beginning of the end for that little episode in drug taking history

There was also a serious bust of young (about 13-14 year-old) Russian girl who was a world champion, but I couldn't find the link.

Kick them out of the Olympics entirely.

I'm calling BS.

I doubt Russia or China are any more "organised" than the UK and US.

This is simply UK and US propaganda, nothing else.

More politics wrote:

I'm calling BS.

I doubt Russia or China are any more "organised" than the UK and US.

This is simply UK and US propaganda, nothing else.

Well then you are an idiot.

Here are some more details from Inside the Games:

Inside the games wrote:

According to The Times, (Sergei) Portugalov, the doctor behind the doping programme in athletics, has been encouraging swimmers in Russia to take illicit substances.

It is also claimed that two swimmers returned positive tests for erythropoietin (EPO), the blood-booster at the centre of the doping storm in cycling, but their results were covered up by the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA).

WADA may do an investigation like they did in track.Here is the Sunday Times article (subscription required):http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/article4719199.eceAnd a summary of the article (Free to read):http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2016/03/23/wada-russia-drug-culture-swimming/82156114/

Well then you are an idiot.

Here are some more details from Inside the Games:

Sorry, drugs are pervasive everywhere. Including the suddenly righteous US.

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/culture/athletic-academic-performance-enhancing-drugs-research-roundup

Banning Russia will only ban 1 out of the 200+ drug-abusing countries, and it will deem the Olympics as heavily watered down and illegitemate since Russia is an athletics powerhouse.

rojo wrote:

WADA may do an investigation like they did in track.

It's pretty ridiculous that they didn't immediately begin investigating other sports after the Part 1 of the first investigation came out. Dick Pound made it CLEAR that the problem extended beyond Athletics.

It's funny to see the focus on Russia, when so many countries are as bad or worse as Russia:

- Spain

- Kenya

- Ethiopia

- Jamaica

- Morocco

- Turkey

- Ukraine

Just to name a few...

It seems WADA wants to sacrifice Russia in the altar or anti-doping and for everyone else it's business as usual.

More politics wrote:

I'm calling BS.

I doubt Russia or China are any more "organised" than the UK and US.

This is simply UK and US propaganda, nothing else.

rojo wrote:

Well then you are an idiot.

Here are some more details from Inside the Games:

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1035668/wada-contact-fina-after-reports-tainted-russian-doctor-involved-in-swimming

Inside the games wrote:

According to The Times, (Sergei) Portugalov, the doctor behind the doping programme in athletics, has been encouraging swimmers in Russia to take illicit substances. It is also claimed that two swimmers returned positive tests for erythropoietin (EPO), the blood-booster at the centre of the doping storm in cycling, but their results were covered up by the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA).

Well let's see who's the idiot, and also based on your record.

Doctors in the US encourage people to take illicit substances constantly, including with advertisements on tv, the internet, and brow beating people in their offices and hospitals to keep taking more and more drugs.

This website, run by you and your brother, is constantly brow beating the athletics world about how good illicit drugs are and how they help people to run faster.

The idiot is the one who not only does these things, but then tries to cast the blame on some other country, based on a magazine article.

Holy shat, that was a stupid comment. I can't even...

Russian, China, Germany, Ukrain, motto for Olympics:

"If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.."

These investigators need to just back off. Don't you want to see someone go under 3 minutes for the mile some day?

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Russia's female gymnasts were doped to the gills by a state run program. Russia needs to be banned from all international competition.

Yes this is sure a propaganda campaign, I think Rojo you are naive if you think its different.

Kenya and Russia are being offered to the gods so that athletics gains a small bit of credibility as it doesn't have any left.

Information first only known by insiders now got out to the mass public about doping.

The fact is that the whole top iaaaf is corrupted to the bone. Nike owning a big piece.

Nobody buys the shit anymore, Sponsors are dropping. The product is f*cked

Do you know nike won the world indoors? :)

i read that somewhere,as well,russian early teens winning lots of age group titles,and breaking records,and rumoured to be drugged.the problem i have is why is it russia who is being made the bad boy of the block,and the scapegoat,for all that is bad in sport?yes,their athletes take drugs,but are they any worse than any other country?some countries yes,but i dont believe the sporting drug culture in russia is any worse than its neighbors ukraine,or belarus,and certainly no worse than USA.

Another report from the Times has FINA sitting on five additional Chinese drug positive tests 'out of respect for the privacy of the athletes'. So they were trying to pull off another secret suspension ala Sun but someone within China is calling them on it.

I can't believe that WADA is making noises about allowing FINA to do the investigation, given their overly cozy relationship with both Russia and China (swimming is lower revenue than track & field on the global level and those countries were part of a short list willing to cough up $50+ million to host big events) and their history of general incompetence and head-in the sand.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they covered up tests for Russian swimmers or at least changed dates on a positive or three- FINA has a rule on the books that says four doping positives in international competition within a set time frame (domestic positives are excluded in an attempt to get federations to keep their own homes clean) and right before last year''s world championships in Kazan, Russia was sitting at three strikes and global sporting's most conflict-averse body was looking at either excluding a Russian swim squad from an event they were hosting over doping violations or explaining to 180 other federations at the meet why the Russians didn't get the death penalty.

FINA's been too busy trying to extort money from the Mexican Olympic federation lately over the country giving back a World Aquatics Championships to do the little things like keep an accurate World Records list. They recently got busted by CAS when a clerical error (someone failed to check the box for 'test for EPO') at the European Championships last year meant world record protocols were not followed. And, despite repeated attempts from the British to get world records for their mixed relays from the meet officially ratified, FINA pretty much refused to pick up the phone and explain why the records were unratified until it was too late to correct the process- the samples from the meet had already been destroyed and could therefore not be retested.

This is the fox you want guarding the henhouse?

One interesting note on recent swimming doping cases is Yulia Effimova's clean-dirty-dirty pattern. She had claimed she discontinued meldonium in December when it was on the banned list and that her February positives must be because of residue in her system from when it was legal.

But there's a clean drug test in January for it followed by the dirties, suggesting that athletes who claim 'but I stopped taking it in October' and test positive in January are indeed hugely lying about that.

http://www.swimvortex.com/yana-martynova-appeals-4-year-ban-as-january-test-questions-efimova-line/

beachmouse wrote:

But there's a clean drug test in January for it followed by the dirties, suggesting that athletes who claim 'but I stopped taking it in October' and test positive in January are indeed hugely lying about that.

More likely, the drug tests are not accurate and are simply being misused.