Why should I think Boris Berian is clean?

grow some wrote:

Your mom grows some wrote:

Right, anabolics would just turn a mid d runner into Mr Olympia, how could we be so stupid! I mean look at how huge 5'11 135 Rupp has gotten off AlSal's androgel!

Another stupid post. Listen closely and learn something.

Galen Rupp is a weakling with historically zero speed, whose lack of kick was a major weakness. He had everything to gain by using anabolics.

Boris Berian is big for an 800 guy, with 46.xx speed IN HIGH SCHOOL. He has nothing to gain by using anabolics.

What part of "anabolics help you recover better from hard training and help your do more quslity training than a non-user" did you not understand?

grow some wrote:

sdfggd wrote:

Are the drugs he needs really that cheap?

None of the accusers have addressed the question of which drugs he would be on.

Are anabolics going to address some limiting factor in 800 performance for a 165-pound 45.xx man? No. Think a little bit. Probably harmful if anything.

EPO? Don't be stupid.

So, what drug then? Vaguely throwing out the names of various peptides with no knowledge of their function is not an answer.

I understand your criticism, but there is a difference between the argument "he is suspicious" and "he is doping". A simplification, but lets start there. Skepticism, the "he is suspicious" standpoint, acknowledges an incomplete set of facts as incomplete, while the second conclusion needs more positive evidence. I am suspicious. We could see what he'd been up to before 1:48 and then before 1:43 and it would make sense. Or, maybe would see that his training at Adams St. was as rigorous as what he's doing now, in which case the question would still remain: "What changed, if not the training?" It could be that the training is so intense now that it begs the question "how can any clean athlete handle that?"

I don't think everyone is doping. I think everyone could be doping. I think its stupid to start with a base assumption that any given athlete couldn't be doping. Boris's case has fewer reedming qualities, and more suspicious qualities. Again, if you don't think the big performance jump is suspicious, fine. I do. If you don't think its important to question how he made that jump, well, you should.

[And I do want to address your question: Drugs aren't like video game power ups. Where you take testosterone to boost PWR, or EPO to boost STM. All drugs help everything to some degree. Cyclists took amphetamines, cocaine and anabolics to peform in 3 week tours. Short sprinters have been caught with EPO. Lance Armstrong detailed a part of his career when he was low-octane (not blood boosting but everything else) and won the World Championships (a 260km race), and the other part of his career high octane where he won TdFs. You can see the legacy of Soviet doping still among the top-performances on the women's side, in spite of the introduction of EPO since then. I don't need to name x drug to explain x' and then y drug to explain y'performance because that's not the way it works. An athlete doping to improve from 1:48 to 1:43 could be on anything.]

One thing I agree with is that suspicion of a guilty act does not mean guilty. People seem to think "I find that unbelievable, therefore it cannot be possible, only logical conclusion is therefore PEDs"

Suspected is not convicted. Least not by a random TV viewer who has no inside knowledge of anything other than their refrigerator.

you need a better brain than rote-hammering series

Trust is key in this. Who is trust worthy in his camp?

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Yams wrote:

His PR's before 2015 were 1:48.93 and 47.34. Then he goes and drops more than 5 seconds in one year. If he were from any other country the message boards would be exploding. Very inspirational, but seems suspicious. High reward to do well considering his previous financial situations, little to lose. Anyone have any details or info that would help support his cleanliness?

My old coach said that there are world champions walking around the strets. He was a 46.9 400 guy in high school. I am amazed he wasn't at a D1 school on scholarship. But you just have to look at his psyche. He is a different guy, who needed to be int he right environment.

He has a lot of speed, is stubborn as shit it seems, and knows how to hammer himself appropriately. He's not top tier yet, but he could be. He's winning the off season, and following the big boys. This year will be more interesting

I find it quite hilarious that old Venty automatically thinks anyone who disagrees or criticises his nonsensical analysis is a teacher. Lol.

He is so deluded to believe that there is just 1 poster who dares question his posts, rather than realise that there are dozens of people on here that can see his drivel.

But I have to ask, are you a teacher? ;)