Devon Allen 13.40 10.38 20.79 outdoor opener

actually 10.36 in the story. That is 10th Oregon all-time. (Rogers ran 52.30 400m, 5th all-time at Oregon). His best 110 is 13.16. Headwind vs. tailwind might make a difference of .2 or more. I'd say this is a fine opening.

A calculator gives for a 100m in 11.4 into a 1.1 m/s wind, a .09 adjustment down, or a .12 for a 13.4. For -2 m/s on a 13.40, it adjusts to 13.17. Of course, hurdles/wind adjustments are hard to predict because of how it may affect their steps, etc.

The 13.40 was in -1.2 m/s, which on the calculator for 100m in that time registers 13.27. Not sure what a good hurdle conversion would be.

Chocked up wrote:

Nice triple. Are those times good for a hurdler of his caliber? The 110s were his last event and into a headwind according to Ducks twitter.

Those are good times, first meet of the year or close to it and he had ACL surgery? 110's are a rhythm event so it takes more meets to peak, he should be back down to 13.1 by NCAAs and have a chance at the Olympic team.

There aren't a lot of 110 guys who ran 100's or 200's after they were world class hurdlers but of those that did there is a good spread. Of the 45 guys in history as fast or faster than Devon Allen at 110h 19 of them had 100 or 200 outdoor times on their IAAF profile:

Jason Richardson ran 12.98 in 2012 and ran 10.78 in 2006 and 21.13 in 2003, both well before he was world class. In 2006 he was a 13.43 guy and in 2003 he ran 13.29 over the 91.4cm barriers and 13.5 over the 99cm. Those flat times are far enough back in history to exclude him from comparison. Although he was probably a 10.2 guy when he broke 13.00

Anier Garcia ran 22.99 the same year he made the athens final at 110h which is a head scratching slow time at 200m

Greg Foster ran 20.20 in 1979 and 13.03 in 1981 with the 200m time being quite faster for a hurdler.

Tony Dees ran 10.15 and 13.05 in 1991 which is good for comparison.

Mark Mckoy ran 10.08 and 13.08 at the same meet in 1993

Antwon Hicks ran 13.35 and 21.52 in 2005 before he was on the same level as Allen and is excluded.

Anwar Moore ran 10.42 in 2005 and 13.23 that year

Stanislavs Olijars is interesting for having multiple results at 100 and 200m, he ran 10.45, 21.07 and 13.49 in 1998, 13.25 and 20.98 in 2000, 10.42, 20.95 and 13.15 in 2002 and 20.91 and 13.08 in 2003.

Falk Balzer ran 22.29 which is slow for his 110h time of 13.47 in 1995.

Igor Kovac ran 10.32, 20.81 and 13.13 in 1997.

Dexter Faulk ran 10.49 and 13.13 in 2009.

Andrew Riley, similar to Devon Allen as a 100m and 110h guy at the NCAA level ran 10.02 and 13.19 in the same year in 2012.

Robin Korving ran his fast 110h times years after his 100 and 200 times and isn't worth much for comparison.

Dwight Thomas is similar to Allen in that he ran lots of 100, 200 and 110 races. He got down to 10.00, 20.32 and 13.15 all in different times in his career. This guy is someone that is faster over 100m but has about the same 110 time as Devon Allen.

Terrence Trammell is another guy who ran lots of 100m races, he got down to 6.45 in the 60m. He was slower than Allen in 110h when he ran his best 100 times in 1999 and 2000 under 10.1. In years 2004 to 2009 TT was faster than Allen's PR in the 110's and was slower than 10.1 and had a worst season best of 10.48 in 2008 with no 100 time in 2009. TT got faster over the hurdles as his season bests in the 100m got slower as his career progressed.

Ladji Doucoure ran 13.58 and 10.60 in 2001 and 12.97! but only 10.52 into a headwind in 2005, 12.97 for a 10.5 100 guy is pretty exceptional.

Allen Johnson ran 20.26 and 20.34 as a

jjjjjj wrote:

The 13.40 was in -1.2 m/s, which on the calculator for 100m in that time registers 13.27. Not sure what a good hurdle conversion would be.

So with a nice tailwind he'd probably have been close to his PR, which matches up pretty well with a 10.3 100. Nice versatility.

Colin Jackson ran 10.29 (1990), 21.19 (1988), 12.91 (1993), and also 6.49 60 m (1994).

Joel Przybilla wrote:

jjjjjj wrote:

The 13.40 was in -1.2 m/s, which on the calculator for 100m in that time registers 13.27. Not sure what a good hurdle conversion would be.

So with a nice tailwind he'd probably have been close to his PR, which matches up pretty well with a 10.3 100. Nice versatility.

Generally tailwind/headwind is considered less of a factor in the 110mH when compared to the 100m open.

This is most elite hurdlers are crowded in the hurdles. Throw a tailwind and many won't run any faster, because their running speed isn't the limiting factor.

Likewise make then run into a headwind and they usually don't slow down much at all.

I'd suspect Devon Allen isn't quite in pr form yet. Probably not far off of it though.

Awesome summary, just the type of thing I was wondering. Thanks!

Willie Gault ran 13.26 and 10.10 and won a bronze in the first World Champs in 1983 along with a relay gold. He had a wind aided 200m around 20.3.

This was a solid post. Thank you, Joel Przybilla.

This was a solid post. Thank you, Joel Przybilla.

Interesting side note ....Devon Allen and Marlon Humphery ( starting corner back on Alabama's FB team ) were roommates a few years back on thee NSAF trip to San Juan for CSI....

Given, this was his first outdoor competition, the times are extraordinary, headwind or not. Oregon has an idiotic "policy" of not discussing injuries, but an Arizona newspaper reported that he tore all three ligaments in his knee. He's only to get better if he stays healthy. Quite a talent.

T&F Nut wrote:

Oregon has an idiotic "policy" of not discussing injuries, but an Arizona newspaper reported that he tore all three ligaments in his knee. He's only to get better if he stays healthy. Quite a talent.

The idiotic policy is the best policy to avoid speaking out of turn and avoiding a potential lawsuit.

If that's the case, why do other schools report injuries? The pros report on injuries. Your statement is without substance.

Worth noting that it's in Tuscon, which is at like 2,600 feet, which likely negates any headwind.

Coaches can't just volunteer medical information due to HIPPA laws. Violation can get you into hot water. Same goes for academics (FERPA). The NFL's injury report is very basic and all athletes agree to it.

So, when the news reported that Allen hurt his knee in a football game, it was against the law? Have you ever heard of a named player be declared "academically ineligible?" Do those reporting parties get sued? Don't be ridiculous. Oregon just has an archaic policy that is a disservice to the fans. I remember when Trevor Dunbar was hurt, the coaching staff was asked if he was injured. "No comment." I asked Dunbar, personally, and he told me the problem. He even had it posted on his FB page. We are not asking for a person's blood pressure, heartbeat, cholesterol level, etc. Just asking why a player/athlete is not competing. Simple as that.

The best policy lets the athlete decide what is released and when.

There is a ton of money riding for future pro contracts for these athletes and this is something that the athlete should always control, especially at the college level, when they are scrutinized so heavily and the NCAA profits grossly of their backs, while athletes see none of it.

The least bit of dignity that can be salvaged for the athlete is to let them dictate their own outcome, not some doofus coach (like the ones form your school) potentially botching a pr because they are not a doctor and didn't take the time to understand the injury before speaking to the media, wiping out the value of the athlete immediately

This is why Oregon is the best program in the country and why they bring titles like no other.