Twitter shade surrounding men's 3000m race

ewwwmee wrote:

didn't think i'd see the "throw shade" term on letsrun

new york latino drag queen slang from the early 90s is now mainstream vernacular. huh.

Unfortunately Yes.

Not many of the new slang words bother me but I simply hate this one. I am assuming the OP is 14 years old as no adult would use that word in that manner.

c'mon drama queen, you're stretching it so thin now it's about to snap!

Hill has the hot hand now, stateside.

He's a-gonna have his hands more than full this weekend, however. Could be he'll do well. Home court advantage, he'll be well rested. But c'mon, who thinks he's up for a gold? Dude will be fortunate to medal.

POTDUS wrote:

fullNumbers wrote:

This would look even more lopsided if you included Mo and indoor records. Or if you included top 5 US all time lists.

If we're talking NOP // Bowerman rivalry...

what's really missing to make that chart meaningful is Solinsky's 26:59

or Cragg and Shalane totally stealing the show from Rupp at the marathon trials

or Bowerman embarrassing Rupp and Jenkins in their home city in the premier event of the meet

Or, if you really wanted to win the convo, you could just say: Magness and Epstein

Solinsky was Orgeon Track Club when he ran 26:59. That's OTC Elite at the time. Get it straight

c'mon let the little fellas babble on about indoors, everyone knows it's the most important (who cares about Olympic medals, Outdoor World Champs or National Records). Ryan Hill wants to think he's a big boy, too.

?????????? wrote:

Facts

World or Olympic medals:

NOP- 3 not counting Mo

BTC-0

American records:

NOP- 3

BTC- 1

Major wins:

NOP- 1

BTC-0

Fastest times on the men's side all belong to NOP except for steeple chase.

Where are you getting theses stats? Incorrect stats drive me nuts.

Let's start with the NOP medals. You list 3 for the NOP besides Farah. Please tell me what those are. I know Rupp got 1. Goucher got another. Who is the third?

In terms of BTC medals, Emily Infeld won one this summer. So the BTC has at least one. Flangan also won a world xc medal so that's 2 if you count xc.

In terms outright American records, what 3 does the NOP have? I'm aware of 1. Rupp at 10k. If you count breaking the same record twice, then they have two as Rupp set the 10k record twice.

As for BTC, Solinsky had the 10k record (1) and Jager has broken the steeple record 3 times. So depending on how you are scoring it's 1-1 in current ARs, or 2-1 in terms of different ARs, or 4-2 in terms of total ARs (counting repeats).

Please don't tell me you want to count indoor records.

What is a major win?? Please advise.I'm aware of zero for both groups. Rupp has never won a DL event (Pre classic 10k didn't haveMo and wasn't a DL) and Jager has never won a DL event either.

Here is my scorecard.

World or Olympic Medals

Nop - 2

BTC - 2

American records (Total)

NOP - 2

BTC - 4

American records (current)

NOP - 1

BTC - 1

Major wins

NOP - 0

BTC - 0

Fastest times on men's side don't all belong to the NOP except fo the steeplechase.Solinsky ran faster than Ritz at 5k. Teg also ran faster than Rupp at 5k.

Fastest Times

1500 - edge NOP (Centro but it's worth poiting out that Jager's 3:32 1500 pb equates to better than Rupp's 3;50.9 mile pb)

Steeple - edge BTC (Jager, Huling, Bayer)

5000 - edge BTC (Solinsky's the fastest, Teg also faster than Rupp)

10k - edge NOP

Now I think this whole excercise is stupid. It's like comparing college teams that have different recruits. I have ZERO idea why you would discount him. If you do, the edge is clearly NOP. If you don't, the edge is clearly BTC.

Centrowitz has two world medals in the 1500 and Rowbury has the 1500 American record. I'm surprised you left those stats out since incorrect stats drive you nuts.

Couple things

Centro has won medals no? He said world or Olympic

Why aren't we counting Mo? He was clearly training with Rupp and NOP when he rose to greatness.

To me the best indicator would be tallying up USA championship results(top 3) as well as showing at worlds/olympics the last 4 years

Or even go with world rankings past couple years.

It might just become an interesting rivalry but I'll wait till outdoor.

rojo wrote:

Let's start with the NOP medals. You list 3 for the NOP besides Farah. Please tell me what those are. I know Rupp got 1. Goucher got another. Who is the third?

Matt Centrowitz in the 2013 world championships

rojo wrote:

In terms outright American records, what 3 does the NOP have? I'm aware of 1. Rupp at 10k. If you count breaking the same record twice, then they have two as Rupp set the 10k record twice.

I believe that Rupp's indoor 3k was the fastest by an American indoors or out so I'd count it, there's 2. I guess you can count his 5k as well

Actually, I'm not 14. I'm a 42 year-old trans woman who lives in the Bay Area and hangs out with a lot of gay guys. So yes, I use the phrase "throw shade."

ole timer wrote:

ewwwmee wrote:

didn't think i'd see the "throw shade" term on letsrun

new york latino drag queen slang from the early 90s is now mainstream vernacular. huh.

Unfortunately Yes.

Not many of the new slang words bother me but I simply hate this one. I am assuming the OP is 14 years old as no adult would use that word in that manner.

xoicliccjcloicckck wrote:

Actually, I'm not 14. I'm a 42 year-old trans woman who lives in the Bay Area and hangs out with a lot of gay guys. So yes, I use the phrase "throw shade."

ole timer wrote:

Unfortunately Yes.

Not many of the new slang words bother me but I simply hate this one. I am assuming the OP is 14 years old as no adult would use that word in that manner.

Whoa ! See an attorney immediately !

You may be entitled to Let$ Run Compensation !

The f'ing post is ABOUT the BTC beating NOP at INDOOR meet and Rojo doesn't want to count indoor records, would that be because Rupp holds the 3,000, 2Mile and 5,000 American records (http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/records/30-records/473-mens-indoor-american-records).

Nothing's more pathetic than making an argument on a post about an indoor championship meet and then trying to eliminate very same records from indoors.

Oh, and he counts a XC medal but doesn't want to count indoor records?!!

Fails to include Centro's medals.

And doesn't count Mo's medals for NOP.

And then talks about someone who USED to have a record -wtf !?!

Too f'ing pathetic.

And as others have pointed out, Rowbury has record.

(And even Solinsky was with OTC not BTC when he ran hat is no longer 10k record).

But incorrect stats or facts just really piss me off, ya know.

Holy crap man, your not just biased you are delusional! Have you heard of a man called Mo Farah? He has some hardware. Rowburry has a couple ARs by herself. Rupp has indoor 3k, 2 mile and 5k and outdoor 10k ARs. Rupp has broken his OWN ARs!! He also has a faster mile than the BTC crew. And a faster half marathon and marathon pb. I believe Farah is faster at 5k no? How about a man called Ritz? He broke 13:00 with ease after Teg tried for years. For. All of Solinsky's wonder season and multiple 5000 races that season, he only ended up 1 second faster than Ritz, who rarely raced it. nobody on BTC has a better intl championship 5k score card than Rupp, despite the fact that he doubled every time and they didn't! No one one the BTC ever put up a summer on the DL circuit at 5k like Rupp in 2014 and he's still far 2nd to NOP teammate Farah.

Shut up Rojo. You're either a master troll or a biased ignorant fool. Neither is better.

Tell you what Rojo, we won't count indoor records like a 7:30 3k, 8:07 2 mile, or 13:02 5k because they are surely not reliable, or really even worthy. Just ask Bernard Lagat, nobody with any talent ever races these distances. Or ask Ryan Hill.

Yes, let's not count them, and let's not count Ryan Hills victory last weekend, because it is an event seldom raced and even with pacers he couldn't run within 8 seconds of Rupps best in the event.

Wow. Bizarre, factually inaccurate rants are par for the course on Letsrun, but starting those rants with "Incorrect stats drive me nuts" definitely boosts this one into special territory!

I'd like to see a rematch of this race between only OTC runners and NOP runners (bring in Centro if NOP wants a pacer). Let the legs do the talking. I'll bet Ryan Hill wins again.

Okay, but make sure Hill wins the Olympic Marathon trials a few weeks prior.