popeye doyle wrote:
Vin's greatest ability at Stanford (and Oregon) was in getting his best guys to run their best when it counted. Seems like Andy is no different.
Great job to the Oregon guys.
Come on now... You know Vin is the guy in charge pulling the strings right?
you don't think Andy is learning?
zatopecker wrote:
Yeah, I didn't want to think it about Cheserek. But I have to agree with you.
Some of the miraculous improvements of Oregon distance runners over the past two or three years were suspicious to say the least -- still, I really didn't want to believe it about Chez.
But doubling back THAT quickly with THAT kind of race, it isn't humanly possible without doping. Never has been. Never will be.
It would have been one thing to double back with a gut-spilling all-out 3:59 or so. But the man kicked it in like Butch Reynolds over the last 150 meters, off a 3:54 pace. (Come to think of it, Butch Reynolds is the last guy I saw who looked so fresh while running a world elite time. Then we found out later why Butch was always so fresh.)
A "strength and conditioning" specialist is now one of the greatest distance coaches in NCAA history. That sure has a funny smell to it.
Sour grapes.
Take a look at all the Duck runners, female and male, who've under-performed the past few years -- based on your ideas.
Oregon's coaches are incredibly smart people who went to Stanford, and clearly have learned how to not over train their runners, and to have them peak when it counts.
Cheserek is not bullet proof, he's lost before.
After running 50+ miles or more in one day, before coming to the USA, his current mileage may make him pretty fresh.
I think it's gotta be. With such unbelievably little recovery, I can't imagine anybody coming close
Cheserek is the Steph Curry of track and field. He's just sort of dancing with the field buying his sweet time and when it's time, he closes the deal like Curry does in the most jaw dropping way.
Actually, Paavo Nurmi, on 19 June 1924.
1500m 3:52.6 WR at 7:05 p.m.
5000m 14:28.2 WR at 8:10 p.m. (set a world record of 14:02 for three miles enroute)
This convinced the Finnish Olympic selectors to enter him in the 1500 and 5000 at Paris
I'm not saying he is over-age, and I mean no disrespect to the other guys, but Ches really looks like a man running amongst boys.
Will he stay at UO to finish his degree and rack-up 3-5 more NCAA titles next year? Or does he go pro this summer? (Of course, he could go pro this summer and still finish his degree as a part-time student the next year or two while training with NOP or the Bowerman group.)
Great races last night.
Water Bean wrote:
Paavo Nurmi 1500/5k double gold 1924 Olympic Games? Less than 2 hours between races.
Double Oly Gold in
Paavo Nurmi 1500/5k double gold 1924 Olympic Games. He was racing the best in the world at the time.
Runnerup - Alberto Juantorena 400m/800m 1976 Olympics.
ok then wrote:
....the only greatest thing this was was the greatest display of doping
What are you even talking about? He has been a great runner all through high school - setting records etc. Unless you are saying he was doping as a child? there is nothing in his running performances that show anything other than the sort of progression you'd expect from someone with his talent. This was a great performance, bottom line.
After today, he will have scored more indoor points than everybody in the history of indoor NCAA track (except for one guy). After next year, he will be ranked first, certainly the MVP in the history of indoor NCAA track...
Who's that one guy?
Nyambui...
endurance athletes in other sports do much more regarding lactate loads back-to-back performances in short time spans... michael phelps swimming multiple semis and finals in single days in 2008.. each effort harder than ches's 5000 meters. college swimmer do this as well..
and athletes do it in running too, as the other great athletes in this thread make clear. so they are also all dopers, by hater logic. (whoops, didn't think that part through did yuh). you have to be an equal opportunity hater because double standards don't fly on this board. maybe with your friends but not here.
picking ches the doper, and not all the other athletes doing similar feats means you didn't get into Oregon, like the rest. tough.
Clearly Ches's 5000 was a warm up with lactate levels approaching that of a very hard mile at the end. not taxing for ches. had he come back and run a 2nd 5k in under 14:00 you still wouldn't have an argument..
Ches is the GOAT and the Ducks just kicked your schools behind. Again. Don't like it, beat ches yourself.. no excuses, just results....
We talk about this topic and this thread in our race recap. Initially, we said this wasn't the greatest double ever. Now we're a little more nuanced.http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/03/legend-king-cheserek-grows-even-bigger-cheserek-wins-two-ncaa-titles-thanks-352-dmr-anchor-less-35-mintues-5000-win/
LRCwrote:
Quick Take #2: As great as this was to watch, we don't think this was the greatest double in NCAA or track and field history.
We’re not sure what’s better but there are several options listed here:
MB: Cheserek: Greatest double in track and field history?
Lawi Lalang was pretty special at NCAAs just three years ago. He won the mile by front running a meet record of 3:54.74. He then came back about one hour and 41 minutes later and won 3000 and won in another meet record of 7:45.95. The meet record times are certainly impressive but the feat becomes all the more impressive when you consider the quality of his competition. In the mile, he beat both Ryan Hill and Chris O'Hare. In the 3000, he beat Hill, Kennedy Kithuka, Anthony Rotich, Diego Estrada, Andy Bayer, Thomas Farrell and Eric Jenkins. Combined his challengers won 10 NCAA titles (Rotich (4 NCAA titles), Jenkins/Kithuka (2 NCAA titles), Bayer/O'Hare (1 NCAA title))..
In case you forgot, you can relive Lalang's double here:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/03/what-a-double-lawi-lalang-is-back-on-top-arizona-junior-returns-to-winning-ways-with-ncaa-meet-records-in-mile-3000/loosetree wrote:
Actually, Paavo Nurmi, on 19 June 1924.
1500m 3:52.6 WR at 7:05 p.m.
5000m 14:28.2 WR at 8:10 p.m. (set a world record of 14:02 for three miles enroute)
This convinced the Finnish Olympic selectors to enter him in the 1500 and 5000 at Paris
There is a woman who can run that double today, good lord I can't believe this is even in consideration.
Oh my lord wrote:
Winning the DMR With a 3:52 only 30 minutes after winning the 5000? Can anybody name a better double?
How about an 8:18 3000m steeplechase + 13:21 5000m?
Anbessa wrote:
As I mentioned on another thread... not to take away from the performance itself, but people are losing sight of the fact that the 5k was irrelevant. 30seconds of off his PB? This was a 3mile tempo followed by an all out mile, what he ran tonight was about as good as he will run for the year in the mile/1500.
Tempo pace is only 29 seconds off your PR 5k?
Woah, I'm doing my tempo runs to slow...
NOP Skeptic wrote:
Anbessa wrote:As I mentioned on another thread... not to take away from the performance itself, but people are losing sight of the fact that the 5k was irrelevant. 30seconds of off his PB? This was a 3mile tempo followed by an all out mile, what he ran tonight was about as good as he will run for the year in the mile/1500.
Tempo pace is only 29 seconds off your PR 5k?
Woah, I'm doing my tempo runs to slow...
What today's youth call "tempo runs" we used to call "time trials".
Excellent for a 30 year old Kenyan!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these