Mo ran that once for a TV entertainment programme. Don't for a minute think he was intent on setting his all time 100m PB in that race, most likely an injury avoidance race.
Mo ran that once for a TV entertainment programme. Don't for a minute think he was intent on setting his all time 100m PB in that race, most likely an injury avoidance race.
Wtfunny wrote:
0bi wrote:NW is probably around sub-12 or 12 flat FAT from blocks.
NW can't begin to touch sub 12.
12.5 MAYBE.
12.high-13 more likely.
Yeah I agree I was a bit generous.
11.11s + 0.160s (average rt) + 0.24s for the usual manual-FAT + anything from 0.6s to 1s (depends on the type of rolling start) + 0.?? Alt + 0.?? Wind
So at least 12 plus. Probably around 12.2x-12.6x.
So if Bolt has a optimised top speed for 100m of 8.7s with 9.79 best at that time, and Willis has 11.11s for the same "flying 100m", how about the following formula
First 50m time = Best 100m - (50m x flying start 100m time)
Blocks starting deficit = first 50m time - (50m x flying start 100m time).
So Bolt
First 50m time = 9.79 - 4.35 = 5.44
Blocks starting deficit = 5.44 - 4.35 = 1.1s
So Willis, reversing the formula
11.11s plus 1.1s blocks deficit = 12.2s?
Obviously you can play around with where peak acceleration has been hit in the 100m, but somewhere around 50m isn't a bad estimate.
And yet when summer comes Willis will be mincing along with his thumbs tucked in his shorts when the kicking starts.
Thanks for an excellent post. I was using my sprint coaching experience and gut feel to place Nick at a 12 flat FAT out of blocks but you quantified the logic nicely.
Basilisk wrote:
For reference, Steve Ovett ran 11.5 and 21.7 (hand-timed) in races with a 3:32 PB (later 3:30)
http://thegreatdistancerunners.de/SteveOvett.htmlThese are pretty much "lower limit" for similar milers as Steve raced the 100/200 regularly as a schoolboy and occasionally as a senior, so knew how to sprint properly (probably out of blocks).
He didn't run 21.7 more like 22.7 That was an old typo, oft repeated.
Metric Miler wrote:
cammy wrote:Bolt's 200m is faster than his 100m x2. Likewise for other 100m sprinters.
Not quite, his 100m is 9.58 and his 200m 19.19. Gatlin has run 9.74 and 19.57.
Gay has run 9.69 and 19.58.
Powell 9.72 and 19.90.
I think Willis' 200m would be a lot faster than his 100m x 2. Assuming his 800m would be 1:44 flat or 1:43.9 then his 400m ability will be around 48.8.
His 200m ability will then be in the region of 22 high/23 flat. He might just break 12 for a 100m from blocks.
So, how fast for 1500?
22.7 is much more in line with 11.5/47.5 as well.
Jon Orange wrote:
Basilisk wrote:For reference, Steve Ovett ran 11.5 and 21.7 (hand-timed) in races with a 3:32 PB (later 3:30)
http://thegreatdistancerunners.de/SteveOvett.htmlThese are pretty much "lower limit" for similar milers as Steve raced the 100/200 regularly as a schoolboy and occasionally as a senior, so knew how to sprint properly (probably out of blocks).
He didn't run 21.7 more like 22.7 That was an old typo, oft repeated.
Yes, that and the fact that he often ran 22.8. He most certainly didn't run 21.7
But back to Willis's 1500 potential, how fast?
I see that posters who have very strong opinions on this thread are very reluctant to discuss how fast he could race the distance.