Injuries, sure (I just agreed to that already). But sub 12:50 guys aren't suddenly 13:20 guys a few weeks later.
Injuries, sure (I just agreed to that already). But sub 12:50 guys aren't suddenly 13:20 guys a few weeks later.
tony the tiger wrote:
i'm pretty sure the next step is you denying that the Paris 12 ever took place , so here is the video lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEtHwH-Phc
So where was Mo? You said he beat them.
this is typical of doppers, not?
Metric Miler wrote:
ododk wrote:No, those runners can lose 20 seconds in a month so that's not true. They have a pattern of being very inconsistent. Unless Farah beat them in the same sub-12:50 race, he didn't beat a bunch of sub 12:50 runners.... whether you like it or not
This is such a petty and almost embarrassing myth that seems to be perpetuated here. I have never, ever, come across this apparent loss of fitness leading into major competitions by professional athletes unless they get injured, or lose to Mo Farah.
Please look at the all time top 20 for 5000m, Farah has beaten many of those guys. Including Gebremeskel who is 5th all time, and also Gebrhiwet, Koech and Alamirew who are 7th, 8th and 10th respectively.
It is fair discussion to say that the likes of Bekele, Gebrselassie, Komen and maybe El G would give Mo Farah a very hard time in their peaks. If Farah had been around during the late 90s and early 2000's then he would not be the multiple champion he is today. But to claim that the runners he regularly beats are better than him is baseless rubbish. And to claim they are weak because they aren't running world records is also stupid; especially when so many of them fill up the all time lists in 5k and 10k.
Farah is quality, like it or not. Sometimes in sport you get characters that are brilliant at what they do, but don't do well with the media or get the fans on their side. That doesn't take away from their achievements or capabilities.
What is a sub 12:50 shape good for in a 13:40+ race? Yes, Farah would have gotten destroyed in that Paris race. Unfortunately, in London they ran one minute slower, not very helpful for those sub 12:50 guys.
sosa wrote:
Hi all, has anyone any knowledge of the possibility of Kiprop taking on Farah over 5k in Rio this summer?
Surely Kiprop can double up and take on Farah, its the one we all want.
Not gonna read all the silly posts, just gonna make a point and ask a couple questions.
Kilrop has been known to shart the bed in a 1500 when the going gets tough. Now I don't know if that's him evading a drug test or evading being tough on a day when he doesn't feel perfect but he can go straight out the back like a snail on salt.
What is his best mark for 3k?
Will his height help him over 5K?
I'm confused, do you think Farah can't handle 12:50? Sorry I might have missed something.
ododk wrote:
Wtfunny wrote:1/2 dozen, sorry.
Sure, injuries happen. But this drastic drop off in fitness idea is without substance. See the post above about Kejelcha.
No, it's not. Kejelcha is one guy. Him maintaining form does not mean that the rest of them did. Injuries and other causes of fitness loss are not without substance. It happens.
Kjelcha is one guy, correct. A guy in 12:53 shape who came 4th. Remember Gebriwhet ran 12:54 in that race also. Ben True and Ryan hill both ran 13:05 and were in that race. These guys are not 13:20 guys you are a fool. A good number of them easily ran 13:20 or faster in the semi final at Beijing to even be there on the start line.
I really wonder how some of you can watch athletics with your attitudes. Do you really watch the World championship 5k final finishing in 13:50 and think college kids could have won?
Anyway I refuse to entertain this stupidity any longer. You can go around thinking a bunch of 13:20 - 13:50 guys are filling out the world championship final. I'm sure you think Rudisha was in 1:45 shape also in Beijing.
Let me ask one thing, what shape were Kamworor, Tanui, Karoki and Rupp in for the 10k?
They ran the second 5k in 13:20ish. It was such hot weather they brought water on to the track. Just in case you didnt realise that one either, hot weather negatively affects endurance events.
Do you know anything about athletics? Please go and post on /r/running or something.
Big thong wrote:
I'm confused, do you think Farah can't handle 12:50? Sorry I might have missed something.
I don't think he would have won that 12:46 race in Paris. Well of course, with Farah's presence the race would have been run differently. Perhaps he would have won had he been there, but not in 12:46. I don't think he can handel that time
Metric Miler wrote:
They ran the second 5k in 13:20ish. It was such hot weather they brought water on to the track. Just in case you didnt realise that one either, hot weather negatively affects endurance events.
Do you know anything about athletics? Please go and post on /r/running or something.
First, it wasn't so hot. Second, they always bring water on the track during championship 10Ks.
Metric Miler wrote:Kiprop's abilities are most likely 1:42 high, 3:26.5 and 12:50. He is more 800/1500 than 1500/5000.
nonsense
if Souly can go intrinsic ~ 1'41.5 in monaco, then Asbel sure as hell coud go at worst, that slow
he already ran an intrinsic 1'42-low easing off at line off jog at the start in paris-14 when destroying nijel & Asbel was helluva lot better shape last year
as for 3'26.5, more nonsense : he went off too fast at 54.1 then had runt pacer not able to offer proper drafting & pacer gone way before bell
try more like 3'25-high
Metric Miler wrote:If Kiprop ever beats Farah in a 5k (unlikely they would race) it is by sitting and kicking with his 1:43/3:26 speed.
nonsense
his actual intrinsic speed is likely to have been more like 1'41+ / 3'25-high last year
ventolin^3 wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:If Kiprop ever beats Farah in a 5k (unlikely they would race) it is by sitting and kicking with his 1:43/3:26 speed.nonsense
his actual intrinsic speed is likely to have been more like 1'41+ / 3'25-high last year
OK, that's the same point. So therefore it is not nonsense. You are agreeing with me. Kiprop could only beat Farah by beating him with his superior speed.
mako wrote:
Big thong wrote:I'm confused, do you think Farah can't handle 12:50? Sorry I might have missed something.
I don't think he would have won that 12:46 race in Paris. Well of course, with Farah's presence the race would have been run differently. Perhaps he would have won had he been there, but not in 12:46. I don't think he can handel that time
But he can handle a 59:22 half marathon, and a 3:28 1500m in the same season. So how does that make any sense? A guy runs 3:28 and 59:22, his best distances are the 5k 10k and you don't think he can run in the 12:40s?
Farah in 2012 was in superb shape, maybe better than Farah in 2015.
These miraculous occurances seem to only be present with Mo Farah. Farah's competition miraculously turns up to major champs in 13:30 or slower shape. Farah can run much faster than his competition in over and under distance races but would be incapable of running faster than them at his own distances, despite him beating them all consistently in championships?
If these athletes could have beaten Farah by running fast then they would have. He did not take the lead and slow the race down. Nobody is willing to go off fast because they know Farah and the rest of the field will swallow them up.
To be honest, this all sounds like jealously. People here don't like his personality so they attack his ability. I can't wait for Farah to run 12:42 or 26:30 and then everyone will have to eat their words. I hope it is this season. I am not a Farah fan I just hate people who are obtuse, refuse to believe what is front of their eyes because they don't like the facts, and love proving them wrong.
Metric Miler wrote:
mako wrote:I don't think he would have won that 12:46 race in Paris. Well of course, with Farah's presence the race would have been run differently. Perhaps he would have won had he been there, but not in 12:46. I don't think he can handel that time
But he can handle a 59:22 half marathon, and a 3:28 1500m in the same season. So how does that make any sense? A guy runs 3:28 and 59:22, his best distances are the 5k 10k and you don't think he can run in the 12:40s?
Farah in 2012 was in superb shape, maybe better than Farah in 2015.
These miraculous occurances seem to only be present with Mo Farah. Farah's competition miraculously turns up to major champs in 13:30 or slower shape. Farah can run much faster than his competition in over and under distance races but would be incapable of running faster than them at his own distances, despite him beating them all consistently in championships?
If these athletes could have beaten Farah by running fast then they would have. He did not take the lead and slow the race down. Nobody is willing to go off fast because they know Farah and the rest of the field will swallow them up.
To be honest, this all sounds like jealously. People here don't like his personality so they attack his ability. I can't wait for Farah to run 12:42 or 26:30 and then everyone will have to eat their words. I hope it is this season. I am not a Farah fan I just hate people who are obtuse, refuse to believe what is front of their eyes because they don't like the facts, and love proving them wrong.
+10000000 absolutely bang on, I don't understand how people are so bitter on this site towards Farah (and pretty much any other world beating runner unless they're white & "blue collar" - sorry Galen). Letsrun, where only high-mediocrity is celebrated.
Metric Miler wrote:
mako wrote:I don't think he would have won that 12:46 race in Paris. Well of course, with Farah's presence the race would have been run differently. Perhaps he would have won had he been there, but not in 12:46. I don't think he can handel that time
But he can handle a 59:22 half marathon, and a 3:28 1500m in the same season. So how does that make any sense? A guy runs 3:28 and 59:22, his best distances are the 5k 10k and you don't think he can run in the 12:40s?
Farah in 2012 was in superb shape, maybe better than Farah in 2015.
These miraculous occurances seem to only be present with Mo Farah. Farah's competition miraculously turns up to major champs in 13:30 or slower shape. Farah can run much faster than his competition in over and under distance races but would be incapable of running faster than them at his own distances, despite him beating them all consistently in championships?
If these athletes could have beaten Farah by running fast then they would have. He did not take the lead and slow the race down. Nobody is willing to go off fast because they know Farah and the rest of the field will swallow them up.
First, 59:22 is not that fast, it's 1 minute off the WR.Then it's a bit misleading to say he ran 3:28 last season when he actually ran 3:28.93, so just dipped below 3:29.
Why do you think that the 5K and 10K are his best distances? Only because he's collecting medals there?
His times and his performances indicate that the 1500 is his best event. It makes perfect sense and I'm sure it's been mentioned many times on this forum: 1500m is his strongest distance, however the competition is too strong there. But he knows he can just rely on his 1500 ability and training, add some endurance training and that's suficient for all the championship races. Farah is a miler with some additional endurance components in his training that allow him to run 59:22 or sit for the first 4, resp. 9 k in championship races. He certainly doesn't have the ability and talent (without drugs) to get close to the current 5k and 10k world records.
Farah's competition doesn't miraculously show up at major events in 13:30 shape. A lot of them are for sure in a better shape than him, but if the race is run in 13:40, how is it helpful to be in a sub 12:50 shape? Nobody also disputes the fact that Farah is great in tactics and can position himself perfectly. Gebremeskel was better in London but lost because of bad positioning in the last lap.
Bad Wigins wrote:
So where was Mo? You said he beat them.
I never said he beat them in Paris LOL
mako wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:But he can handle a 59:22 half marathon, and a 3:28 1500m in the same season. So how does that make any sense? A guy runs 3:28 and 59:22, his best distances are the 5k 10k and you don't think he can run in the 12:40s?
Farah in 2012 was in superb shape, maybe better than Farah in 2015.
These miraculous occurances seem to only be present with Mo Farah. Farah's competition miraculously turns up to major champs in 13:30 or slower shape. Farah can run much faster than his competition in over and under distance races but would be incapable of running faster than them at his own distances, despite him beating them all consistently in championships?
If these athletes could have beaten Farah by running fast then they would have. He did not take the lead and slow the race down. Nobody is willing to go off fast because they know Farah and the rest of the field will swallow them up.
First, 59:22 is not that fast, it's 1 minute off the WR.Then it's a bit misleading to say he ran 3:28 last season when he actually ran 3:28.93, so just dipped below 3:29.
Why do you think that the 5K and 10K are his best distances? Only because he's collecting medals there?
His times and his performances indicate that the 1500 is his best event. It makes perfect sense and I'm sure it's been mentioned many times on this forum: 1500m is his strongest distance, however the competition is too strong there. But he knows he can just rely on his 1500 ability and training, add some endurance training and that's suficient for all the championship races. Farah is a miler with some additional endurance components in his training that allow him to run 59:22 or sit for the first 4, resp. 9 k in championship races. He certainly doesn't have the ability and talent (without drugs) to get close to the current 5k and 10k world records.
Farah's competition doesn't miraculously show up at major events in 13:30 shape. A lot of them are for sure in a better shape than him, but if the race is run in 13:40, how is it helpful to be in a sub 12:50 shape? Nobody also disputes the fact that Farah is great in tactics and can position himself perfectly. Gebremeskel was better in London but lost because of bad positioning in the last lap.
This is such a gross simplification it is hilarious. Do you see Kiprop or Makhloufi running 26:46 ever? Let alone 27:01 with a 13:40 first 5k?
You really have no idea what you are talking about. There are no 1500m guys that can run 59:22.
When it comes 2 Mo Farah in this website you are better off conserving your energy .. ppl are blind by hate , it doesn't matter if you bring forth evidence or facts they will just ignore it /dismiss it or even flat out deny it ..The dude I was arguing with wouldn't even acknowledge that Mo beat 6 guys who went sub 12.50 in Paris he is adamant they showed up at the London Olympic in 13.40 shape LOL
"Gebremeskel was better in London but lost because of bad positioning in the last lap"
" Lagat should've kicked earlier than he did"
" Langosiwa should't have had sex the nite b4 the race"
" Isiah Koietch should've avoided spicy food 2 days b4 the race , he had upset stomach during the race"
If you don't think Gebremeskel ran a poor tactical race in London, you should refrain from posting on a running site.Put it this way .. compare Dejen's finishing Paris 2012 with Mo's in London. London was nearly a MINUTE slower. Gebremeskel would've finished before Farah hit the bell. here's his quote afterward
"It was a good race but we made mistakes," the runner-up, who arrived in London as the world leader at 12:46.81, said. "We planned to make the race [fast] but we didn’t do that. I also made a mistake. I stayed in the pack and struggled to get out easily. I won bronze medal at the World Championships and now I am Olympic silver medallist. But I should have won this gold. I knew I had the energy and the ability to do so. But mistakes cost me a lot."
He lost 5m at the bell, going from 2nd place to 8th.
Mo ran a great race. And I don't know if Dejen would've beaten him in parsi 2012. But if you're gunna say, flatly, no way, you're just as ridiculous as those people you're ridiculing above.
tony the tiger wrote:
When it comes 2 Mo Farah in this website you are better off conserving your energy .. ppl are blind by hate , it doesn't matter if you bring forth evidence or facts they will just ignore it /dismiss it or even flat out deny it ..The dude I was arguing with wouldn't even acknowledge that Mo beat 6 guys who went sub 12.50 in Paris he is adamant they showed up at the London Olympic in 13.40 shape LOL
"Gebremeskel was better in London but lost because of bad positioning in the last lap"
" Lagat should've kicked earlier than he did"
" Langosiwa should't have had sex the nite b4 the race"
" Isiah Koietch should've avoided spicy food 2 days b4 the race , he had upset stomach during the race"