Doping Red Flags

Yeah, obviously Rowbury is doping.

Top sign someone is doping:

They are a professional athlete. They all dope, dude

Flat Stanley wrote:

Biggest red flag is running 2 minutes faster than your twin brother for 10k and improving your 10k time by nearly 2 minutes post college.

B-Sample wrote:

Haven't read the article, but for me a HUGE one, maybe the biggest:

-Their governing federation has a history of corruption

also

- No OOC blood testing (historically Jamaica, Ethiopia, Kenya, etc.)

and finally

-Failed an "A" sample

-Citizenship issues

No or inefficient OOC testing is one of the top-3 red flags for me.

Biggest "red flags" are:

USA

Jamaica

Russia

Turkey

Morocco

Kenya

Ethiopia

A big red flag

Feb. running a so so time in the marathon, then, 3 mos. later a 10 plus min. improvement.

Dec. ran a slowish 10 km road race, then, Apr. same year a 2 1/2 min. improvement. Plus a startling 1/2 marathon time a week later.

Goshhdarn that's myself I'm talking about when, the marathon an improvement due to levelling off high mileage all Dec., Jan., & Feb. and more track training in Apr.

The Dec. 10 km, one month off being injured most of prior summer and fall, got fit again and was running injury free for Feb., March & April

So, going to say I was a ped user then???

Rowbury. She's Tanya Harding, Simpson is Nancy Kerrigan. Dope instead of a baseball bat.

The article that the "Red Flags" appears in is here:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/03/week-u-s-star-shares-red-flags-doping-penn-states-latest-mid-d-star-super-fast-ncaa-times-2x353-two-distance-schools-win-big-conference-crowns/

I read with interest the 'doping red flags' in the Week that Was, written by a top American Distance Runner.

Editor's note: The article that the "Red Flags" appears in can be read here:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/03/week-u-s-star-shares-red-flags-doping-penn-states-latest-mid-d-star-super-fast-ncaa-times-2x353-two-distance-schools-win-big-conference-crowns/

There is good logic to that list, and explains most of the changes to the all time 1500m list. However, there is one other runner on that list who was not crossed off who I believe fits at least 3, and possibly 5 of those. Therein lies the danger of such a list, with this particular athlete generally regarded as being a cleanskin (and I am by no means accusing this athlete)

The 5 red flags are as follows (see if you can guess the athlete)

1. Having a coach that has previously been involved in doping allegations: There have been lots of unsubstantiated rumours over the years about this athletes coach, as well as some well documented accusations by the media in the last year

7. If the group/coach is constantly looking for “legal” advantages.: Again, the coach has had well documented efforts along these lines, including TUE's for some of his athletes

8. A long plateau followed by a massive breakthrough after the age of 30: this athlete was consistent over 1500m and 5000m over a period of about 6 years, then after recently changing coaches (and turning 30), runs a 4 second 1500m PB and a 12 second 5000m PB

The two other possible 'Red Flags'

9. Being on all year… it is soooooo hard to naturally be at the best for more than 3 months at a time. This athlete has recently started running very well indoors as well as the stated PB's outdoors

10. Doping shows up in the last 200m of the race usually. This athlete has also started developing a big finishing kick.

Discuss

Also: WR in any event.

that list was good stuff. Enjoyed reading it. im just glad I'm not a professional athlete. It must be terrible when you have an obvious cheat next to you, and there's nothing you can do about it. It's like being passed up for a job promotion you were more than qualified for only because your fellow coworker had more connections with the higher ups, not necessarily based on their qualifications.

Star wrote:

The only doping red flag that matters:

Anyone running faster than me must be doping.

Lol okay Craig virgin

REV378 wrote:

that list was good stuff. Enjoyed reading it. im just glad I'm not a professional athlete. It must be terrible when you have an obvious cheat next to you, and there's nothing you can do about it. It's like being passed up for a job promotion you were more than qualified for only because your fellow coworker had more connections with the higher ups, not necessarily based on their qualifications.

It's more like being passed up for a job promotion because you have a PhD and your coworker has forged 10 PhDs, but actually just has a Masters.

larkimm wrote:

"9" is also a little doubtful - yes, if you were running 12:50 for 5k once a week, every week for 52 weeks without injury then that would be unusual. But the reality is that we rarely see athletes like that, they may have multiple peaks or be able to retain that peak for longer, but even athletes that race frequently will have 6-8 week periods throughout the year allowing for some cut back.

So running fast year round is a big red flag

And so is peaking for championships

Yeah, people looooove to think anyone better than them is doping

The list seems to be written with a few people in mind. I did not find it persuasive even if written by an elite.

I think it's hard to pick individuals but easier to see a general problem like US sprinting, Russian womens distance, and Kenyan and Ethiopian depth. There may be a mix of clean and dirty runners in each group but there are often too many really good performances in a short time period.

There are exception though to # 9. Being on all year… For close to 7 years, Paul Koech, the steeple chaser was on all year. He would run an 8'01" or faster in Jan - Feb and would get marginally faster in summer months(sub 8') and continue in that range till end of the season. And I strongly believe he runs clean. The only downside for him was that he was/is a poor championship runner. Despite topping the yearly world toplist in 3000m steeplechase for several years, the only best result he ever got was a bronze in the 2004 Olympics. But now I think age is catching up with him after more than 13 years at the top of steeple chase.

red flags.

lady with beard caked with makeup.

lady with adams apple

lady with baritone voice and beard.

runners with neck muscles trapezius popping.

quantum leap in times without explanation.

for example, wilis seems to be a legit 332 guy for years, but he was often injured, now he's got a couple of years without injury.

in this race, with a quick glance, it looks like all dudes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOu0PDYmyXs

another red flag is when your wife dies from EPO induced heart attack and you have the world record.

it is a paradigm of bullshhitt

Red Flag is term to use when you've really got nothing else of substance to say. It conveys what athletes feel and appeals to the emotions of fans who want to hear excuses.

and also dominated xc worlds-

how gud was cera..

the later age of some reflects when new ped hits scene. cough (igf-1).