new combo wit igf-1 lr3
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Epic fail: Abeba aregawi tested positive for doping
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why did aregawi take,
if byself basic ,maybe heard tat wat fast ethiopians using n not told whole story
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a set-up as igf-1 lr3
main ped .been protected,allowed 4 now
again deception from iaaf
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El Flaco Pelon Rojo wrote:
Jenny Simpson is a class act. Her statement shows an understanding on many levels.
Sadly, I assume she stays with the silver medal from 2013 worlds, joining such greats as Frank Shorter '76 silver, who experienced similar disappointment.
I'm not sure Aregawi's the appropriate target of Simpson's anger. Let's assume that Aregawi has been using this drug daily for the last four years: it was perfectly legal to do so in 2013 and all the way until the end of 2015. I don't see how you can blame Aregawi for taking non-banned substance. -
Jeff Wigand wrote:
El Flaco Pelon Rojo wrote:
Jenny Simpson is a class act. Her statement shows an understanding on many levels.
Sadly, I assume she stays with the silver medal from 2013 worlds, joining such greats as Frank Shorter '76 silver, who experienced similar disappointment.
I'm not sure Aregawi's the appropriate target of Simpson's anger. Let's assume that Aregawi has been using this drug daily for the last four years: it was perfectly legal to do so in 2013 and all the way until the end of 2015. I don't see how you can blame Aregawi for taking non-banned substance.
Is a prescription required for said substance to be used for medical purposes? Was a therapeutic exception filed? What medical route was used for its procurement? -
yeah, butter wrote:
Is a prescription required for said substance to be used for medical purposes? Was a therapeutic exception filed? What medical route was used for its procurement?
If it's not banned, no TUE is required. -
Meldonium was still in clinical trials in 2013.
S0. NON-APPROVED SUBSTANCES
Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, substances approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited at all times.
http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-all-times/prohibited-substances/ -
That was my reaction as well. I wouldn't be surprised if very legitimate runners took Meldonium up until this year - especially those who like to get to the bleeding edge (like the NOP). Then again, just because anabolic steroids were finally banned by the IOC in 1975, does not mean it legitimizes enhanced performances before then. It looks like meldonium is in the same category as AICAR and insulins, so it looks pretty serious. I don't know anything about it besides that, though.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
El Flaco Pelon Rojo wrote:
Jenny Simpson is a class act. Her statement shows an understanding on many levels.
Sadly, I assume she stays with the silver medal from 2013 worlds, joining such greats as Frank Shorter '76 silver, who experienced similar disappointment.
I'm not sure Aregawi's the appropriate target of Simpson's anger. Let's assume that Aregawi has been using this drug daily for the last four years: it was perfectly legal to do so in 2013 and all the way until the end of 2015. I don't see how you can blame Aregawi for taking non-banned substance. -
TrackCoach wrote:
Finally someone with brains wrote:
laugher wrote:Oh really?
Then how come other ethnic groups cannot replicate them?
Why does'nt everyone else just dope like crazy and win every major city marathon available?
It's a good question, perhaps there is an East African gene that makes them more likely to cheat and dope??
No gene, just greed and dishonesty. When you come from a 3rd world country, just one successful season can set you up for life. Also, there are coaches and agents that will convince an athlete that everyone is doping.
American athletes are just as inclined to cheat as are East African athletes. -
I assume that was for the US. There are other governmental regulatory health authorities out there, you know. Clinical trials finished well before that (at least before 1991): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1771844 (Russia)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1527-3458.2005.tb00267.x/epdf
Who knows how many Russians were on this. Geez.
webby wrote:
Meldonium was still in clinical trials in 2013.
S0. NON-APPROVED SUBSTANCES
Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, substances approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited at all times.
http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-all-times/prohibited-substances/ -
If any state running a doping program just needs to approve a PED for therapeutic use in order for it to be allowable in the (many) years before it is banned, it shows what a exercise in futility drug testing is. Clearly she wasn't suffering from heart problems, which is what the drug was approved to treat, I believe. And it took something like 10 years after its initial development before it was banned.
At the very least, athletes should have to declare the drugs that they are taking, demonstrate medical necessity, and agree that if a drug that they are taking is subsequently banned that they will retroactively forfeit medals and have records expunged. Perhaps that would result in an occasional injustice -- but the toothlessness of the current system is absurd. -
Jeff Wigand wrote:
El Flaco Pelon Rojo wrote:
Jenny Simpson is a class act. Her statement shows an understanding on many levels.
Sadly, I assume she stays with the silver medal from 2013 worlds, joining such greats as Frank Shorter '76 silver, who experienced similar disappointment.
I'm not sure Aregawi's the appropriate target of Simpson's anger. Let's assume that Aregawi has been using this drug daily for the last four years: it was perfectly legal to do so in 2013 and all the way until the end of 2015. I don't see how you can blame Aregawi for taking non-banned substance.
You do realise that this is the only thing she's been caught taking, the chances that's it's the only thing she's on or has been on in the past is a bit naïve.
If she's prepared to take a pill meant for heart conditions, legal in sport or not, it's not a stretch to believe she's probably popping whetever she and her people can get her hands on.
Have a think about what you'd do if you were offered a random drug to take to improve your performance, even if it wasn't banned at the time, would you actually still do it? I know I wouldn't be knocking back random, Eastern European heart pills. -
Interestingly, according to the interview with her agent (link on the LR.com home page), it sounds like she is totally denying taking the drug. She has "no idea how it got in her body". She doesn't explicitly say she has never used meldonium, but that clearly seems to be the implication from what her agent said. (if she had taken this drug in the past, but quit when it was outlawed, she would presumably say something about how there must have still been some in her bloodstream that triggered the positive)
Also, gotta love the "she looked me in the eyes" defense. She's being honest, people - SHE LOOKED HER AGENT IN THE EYES while denying drug use! Everybody knows you can't simultaneously lie and look another person in the eyes. That's how Phil Liggett knew that Lance Armstrong was telling the truth about not using PEDs - he used the old "look 'em in the eye" test. 100% reliable. -
Vilgax wrote:
Interestingly, according to the interview with her agent (link on the LR.com home page), it sounds like she is totally denying taking the drug. She has "no idea how it got in her body". She doesn't explicitly say she has never used meldonium, but that clearly seems to be the implication from what her agent said. (if she had taken this drug in the past, but quit when it was outlawed, she would presumably say something about how there must have still been some in her bloodstream that triggered the positive)
Also, gotta love the "she looked me in the eyes" defense. She's being honest, people - SHE LOOKED HER AGENT IN THE EYES while denying drug use! Everybody knows you can't simultaneously lie and look another person in the eyes. That's how Phil Liggett knew that Lance Armstrong was telling the truth about not using PEDs - he used the old "look 'em in the eye" test. 100% reliable.
This latest story makes me even more suspicious of Aregawi.
If she said she had been taking meldonium when it was legal and claimed that she didn't get the memo that the rules had changed, I could sort of understand that. But to claim that meldonium magically got into her bloodstream makes me wonder what else she is lying about. -
54:40 or fight wrote:
This latest story makes me even more suspicious of Aregawi.
If she said she had been taking meldonium when it was legal and claimed that she didn't get the memo that the rules had changed, I could sort of understand that. But to claim that meldonium magically got into her bloodstream makes me wonder what else she is lying about.
Yes. She had better have a record of everything's she's taken in recent times if she wants a prayer of salvaging her career. -
Jon Orange wrote:
The whole PED concept is nonsense. Runners still have to produce sustained power through the feet and ankles. There is no drug to give you that skill.
Aregawi was banned due to greedy Aholes attempting to extort money from her, which happens at all levels of the sport. Unless you pay off those in charge of the testing, then you will be banned, which has nothing to do with taking any drugs.
This is what happened to Aregawi. -
El Flaco Pelon Rojo wrote:
Jenny Simpson is a class act. Her statement shows an understanding on many levels.
Simpson's statements put her in a very bad light.
I wouldn't be surprised that she knows Aregawi is innocent.
This issue is not about drugs, but rather in getting your competitors banned. -
Clerk wrote:
fizzy ologee wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:
The whole PED concept is nonsense. Runners still have to produce sustained power through the feet and ankles. There is no drug to give you that skill.
Why don't runners understand that running is a skill?
That's not trolling, that's basic physiology.
BASIC PHYSIOLOGY ANYONE???????????????????????????
Which page or chapter in your physiology book Jon? Which book?
Don't feed the troll. He has been shown to post nothing of value, post nothing to back up his claims, and to avoid truths and logical conclusions. Don't respond to Jon Orange, as his character only survives so much as people respond to it.
[I am going to copy and past this every time someone responds to him, from now on.]
Grow up kid. -
"Her agent says that Aregawi looked him in the eye and said she wasn’t doping"
Lol -
trollism wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
El Flaco Pelon Rojo wrote:
Jenny Simpson is a class act. Her statement shows an understanding on many levels.
Sadly, I assume she stays with the silver medal from 2013 worlds, joining such greats as Frank Shorter '76 silver, who experienced similar disappointment.
I'm not sure Aregawi's the appropriate target of Simpson's anger. Let's assume that Aregawi has been using this drug daily for the last four years: it was perfectly legal to do so in 2013 and all the way until the end of 2015. I don't see how you can blame Aregawi for taking non-banned substance.
You do realise that this is the only thing she's been caught taking, the chances that's it's the only thing she's on or has been on in the past is a bit naïve.
If she's prepared to take a pill meant for heart conditions, legal in sport or not, it's not a stretch to believe she's probably popping whetever she and her people can get her hands on.
Have a think about what you'd do if you were offered a random drug to take to improve your performance, even if it wasn't banned at the time, would you actually still do it? I know I wouldn't be knocking back random, Eastern European heart pills.
Who is naïve? She is. Your last paragraph is your redemption trolli. Young athletes are being pimped by drug dealers. And what effects do you actually think that drug had on her? Performance enhancement??? Please.
