Bill Walker wrote:
Just put ice packs on the major muscle groups for ten minutes. Calves, Hamys, quads. Zero reason to freeze your balls in a tub.
I agree an ice pick in your calves, hammies, and quads would probably cure most soreness. I wouldn't stick an ice pick in your balls though.
So hard to get rid of tradition. https://youtu.be/tY8IuU_XYgw
runnerdnerd wrote:
Almost every elite (7800 point plus) decathlete that I know does them after day one is complete.
Those people are all pretty in tune with their bodies and swear that it has a moderate benefit on how they feel the next day.
Placebo effect much?
Ice baths are important for proving you're not a millennial.
It shows you can a) do what someone tells you to do without questioning it for once - clearly you can't
b) tolerate discomfort - which clearly you can't
PRDM16 tells me I shouldn't.
malmo wrote:
Superstition and herd mentality.
This.
Some quick cooling on a hot day is good. Too much is bad. Ice baths = too much. This wastes energy need for recovery.
Why are you icing your balls? Depending on the depth of the tub, either stand or sit on your knees with the water at your upper thighs.
And what are you hoping to gain from this txRUNNERgirl? Any damage to muscle should be minimal after your training or racing. But if it's not, there is a reason why more blood goes to your muscles.
The point overlooked in this pseudoscienfic nonsense is that quicker cooling when you are over heated will help you recover. This takes a very short time in cool but not very cold water.
You guys need to look at the whole picture. You're focused on one kernel of information, one that supports your desire not to do something I suspect, and running with it. Ice baths have been proven extremely effective for certain conditions. What the latest criticisms indicate is that they shouldn't be over used during a strength building phase as it may reduce the "positive" soreness that the work is creating. Soreness is your body rebuilding itself so when you stunt that process like via ice bath you can diminish the gains. However, during a peaking phase or in combating symptoms of over-training or injury its been proven extremely effective.
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
Why are you icing your balls? Depending on the depth of the tub, either stand or sit on your knees with the water at your upper thighs.
Even the girl knows you don't have t go ball deep.
Ice your legs.
Kinesiologist wrote:
You guys need to look at the whole picture. You're focused on one kernel of information, one that supports your desire not to do something I suspect, and running with it. Ice baths have been proven extremely effective for certain conditions. What the latest criticisms indicate is that they shouldn't be over used during a strength building phase as it may reduce the "positive" soreness that the work is creating. Soreness is your body rebuilding itself so when you stunt that process like via ice bath you can diminish the gains. However, during a peaking phase or in combating symptoms of over-training or injury its been proven extremely effective.
You need to read what I wrote.
Tradition!
pics or it didnt happen wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
Too many gays on lrc.
you might be making it too cold. i think it really helps after a
marathon to prevent cramping and aid in recovery. it is subjective
like most anything but i think it helped me. i am 70 now so
marathons are not something i can do. one trick
is to get in a warm tub and then gradually cool it. if you do
it a little at a time you can add cold water.
it is similar to jumping in a lake when it is cool outside. if you wade
out slowly and let your upper body cool, gradually your legs
will be warmer than the water or almost the same. diving in then
is not much of an issue as you feel as warm under the water as
outside of it.
I do a lot of things science says does not hold any benefit but I feel the benefit which is the most important factor. There is a lot of training theory out there which is universally accepted by the running community as having benefit when science cannot explain it. There has to be a line between coaching, feel and science in running where the athlete gives feedback as to they feel is beneficial.
Ice baths are in that group for me and I often chill out in a nice cool river after a hard workout and find it has a good benefit for me. I've do a lot of running at Mammoth lakes and regularly see high level elite athletes doing the same. That does not prove anything but the idea that elites do not cool off for recovery is garbage.
Ice baths work like a typical analgesic and do not penetrate deep into the muscles which means only superficial relief is felt and it does not have a direct effect on the healing process. If you are not effecting the healing process but getting relief, this is a good thing as it enables you train without as much strain. The downside is that this has an effect on how a runner feels pain and can lead to overdoing the training stimulus much like an athlete who is using analgesics to run with an injury doesn't realise or feel the damage they are doing beneath the surface. Train smart and remember to recover properly and I've baths can be a useful tool.
hot yoga girls,think about it
I'll save the ice bath tradition for a really rough day of training; otherwise, I'll plan for the annual dip in the lake during winter for fun.
According to this meta-analysis cold-water immersion does have positive effects. The science on ice baths isn't conclusive but there are studies out there that support to notion that ice-baths aid in recovery.
This isn't the only meta-analysis done on cold-water immersion or only study. If you want an answer to your question do some research.
cold water immersion wrote:
According to this meta-analysis cold-water immersion does have positive effects. The science on ice baths isn't conclusive but there are studies out there that support to notion that ice-baths aid in recovery.
This isn't the only meta-analysis done on cold-water immersion or only study. If you want an answer to your question do some research.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jonathan_Leeder/publication/51674878_Cold_water_immersion_and_recovery_from_strenuous_exercise_A_meta-analysis/links/55c8671c08aebc967df89eed.pdf?inViewer=0&pdfJsDownload=0&origin=publication_detail
What do those idiot researchers know? If the folks on letsrun do not think it is effective, then it cannot be.
I think I am in line with Kinesiologist in that ice baths are a tool. But that tool is not perfect for every job. There are times when they are not a good idea and times when they could be.
yougenie wrote:
I do a lot of things science says does not hold any benefit but I feel the benefit which is the most important factor. There is a lot of training theory out there which is universally accepted by the running community as having benefit when science cannot explain it. There has to be a line between coaching, feel and science in running where the athlete gives feedback as to they feel is beneficial.
There is no science supporting high mileage either.
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