top Canadian coach calls out drug cheats beating his athletes

You really should have asked more questions about the Q for G stuff before commenting. If you had seen the raw scoring data, you would have known that these SR athletes MUST have actually have been awarded points for things they did not do (like run the event they were applying for at AOs and/or Nats). Otherwise, they would not have had enough points to qualify for carding. Other athletes in the same situation (some of whom have appealed their cases) did not receive the same treatment and thus were not nominated for carding. I repeat: They were actually awarding carding points for things they did not actually do. Meanwhile, athletes who, with the same considerations as were extended the SR athletes, would have scored more points than the SR athletes, may not have applied at all, because they knew they would not qualify (e.g. if they had not run PB in their best event). These athletes could not even APPEAL their cases.

There is a reason why this committee has gone into complete lockdown and has refused to answer any questions about the actual process by which these athletes were nominated for carding. Mark my words, it will come out that these people knew exactly what they were doing, and that it was ethically questionable.

I agree with you completely that there are people who like to pile on SR whenever they get a chance. These are the same people who will pile on just about anyone or anything when given a chance (and you're dead right that it was a low blow to attack Anthony in any way). But, this is just the way the internet works, and it often goes both ways (i.e people who have raised difficult questions about the behaviour of the SR leadership have been personally attacked too, you can be sure). But, it is a matter of stone cold fact that the SR leadership have been serially engaged in unethical behaviour on top of their otherwise exemplary efforts to build an outstanding track club. In fact, they have mostly not even bothered to try and deny it. That they are, in fact, very talented builders just makes the whole business sadder.

I can understand why some SR athletes wouldn't really care about any of this, but I can't understand why they would ever try to publicly deny or defend it (which they mostly have not). It really just makes things look even worse.

honestly jeremy wrote:

Do you honestly believe the Speed river athletes in question are listed on the AO carding nomination page despite having only ~50 total points in the case of Allison and Hendrikx or ~70 points in the case of Proudfoot?

18 Jeremy Rae M 1500

19 Ross Proudfoot M 5000

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32 Sacha Smart M 800

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35 Alex Wilkie M 1500

36 Connor Darlington M 1500

Do you honestly believe that Ross Proudfoot legit scored enough points to be ranked directly below you and well ahead of Smart, Wilkie, and Darlington, despite earning 0 points at the Ontario Champs for his 5000m nomination?

Jeremy, it's really this simple. The performance scores for the above athletes are only a couple points apart. How on earth could Ross be ranked directly below you with 0 AO Champs points? Don't pull a Moulton and run away; the math is pretty simple to figure out and Ross needs close to 30 extra points, that he didn't earn, to be ranked where he is on the nominations.

Jeremy Rae wrote:

Nowhere in that article does it say Run Canada money went directly to Reid and Eric.

Nope, but Reid Coolsaet did say that in his blog and the post immediately above your 1st post quotes Reid Coolsaet's blog:

"Thanks to everyone who made donations to Run Canada Month (April), especially Millard,Rouse & Rosebrugh LLD and Longboat Runners club for their very generous donations. All donations, which were matched by Athletics Canada, are going to help training costs for Eric Gillis, Dylan Wykes and myself as well as programs to promote running."

Late 2011 the Run Canada campaign is launched and it is announced Athletics Canada will match up to $10,000

Early 2012, Reid Coolsaet donates $10,000 to the Guelph track

Spring 2012, Run Canada donations are given to Coolsaet, Gillis, and Wykes. Athletics Canada matches Run Canada donations

Spring 2012, Reid Coolsaet has an individual fundraiser thanks to Shawn Brady which will "help raise some money for my training," as Reid says in his blog

Which all makes me wonder: why does Reid Coolsaet need money from

1) Run Canada donations

2) Athletics Canada matching donations

3) Shawn Brady video donations

to help with his training when he very recently was so flush that he donated $10,000?

1) Run Canada donations helped pay for a house rental in Flagstaff for one month that was used by 4 athletes. There was no money paid directly to athletes or any other direct support.

2) Athletics Canada was helping out a bunch of Olympic athletes. When they don't help our athletes people complain. They can't win either way from trolls.

3) Shawn Brady's video netted around $200 which was donated to CityKidz.

$10,000 donation was done thinking marathon prize money would keep coming in similar fashion to 2011 STWM (3rd overall, 1st Canadian, time bonus). Unfortunately that was still the highest paying marathon, by far.

Here's a response wrote:

3) Shawn Brady's video netted around $200 which was donated to CityKidz.

From Reid Coolsaet's blog:

"Once again a big thank you to everyone who donated to the “All for the Run” project. Big props to Shawn Brady for coming up with this idea and including me. The generous guy who Shawn is he didn’t even want any of the proceeds, he was happy to simply have his song hit the airwaves. I’m happy to say that in the end I am getting $2500, which is a good chunk of change to help with training costs. $2819 went into the production of the video."

People need to be accoutable, and charges need to be laid against those who rigged the system (they defrauded deserving athletes out of money!!!), and the athletes if they knowingly submitted fraudulent data. I know tax fraud is a serious criminal offence, and I see this as similar as it involves large monetary amounts. I assume that the form they submit states that all data must be true and is to be signed by the applicant. Did Quest for Gold release names of the athletes who were funding alternates/next in line? If so, they should sue because they were defrauded out of a large sum of money by Speed River and its goon squad. The police and media would be interested to hear about this fraudulent process, who wants to let them know?!

I expect that Jeremy Rae will never honestly answer your question. Moulton is likely teaching him the cowardly art of running away from a thread once people start asking tough questions and we won't be hearing from Rae again in this thread.

Of course, it's all part of the shady tactics used by DST and the Speed River team!

That's weird that a Speed River athlete would post all that and then stop posting so suddenly. It looks really, really bad that he would just stop when that partial athlete ranking list was posted. Pretty much confirms that he now knows his teammates were trying to cheat to get government carding.

#CheatRiverCheat

J-Rae hasn't been with the river for too long - he should get out before Moulton and DST fully corrupt him.

Save yourself wrote:

J-Rae hasn't been with the river for too long - he should get out before Moulton and DST fully corrupt him.

He's always seemed like a stand up guy and his posts in here indicate as much, just a teammate trying to stand up for some of his new teammates about topics he doesn't know much about.

If he had continued defending his teammates, you could assume he's perfectly fine with what they're doing in Guelph. Since he stop defending them, it appears he isn't comfortable with some of the crap going on.

Hopefully by the end of the end, he'll be out in Vancouver training with that group.

JR should not say a thing because he knows nothing.

He does not hang out in the kitchen of this restaurant.

Rather than whining about drugs cheats, STD might want to focus on the Toronto, Windsor, and Laval runners beating on his athletes. What a difference one year makes in the Mens 3000m!

golden gael wrote:

Save yourself wrote:

J-Rae hasn't been with the river for too long - he should get out before Moulton and DST fully corrupt him.

He's always seemed like a stand up guy and his posts in here indicate as much, just a teammate trying to stand up for some of his new teammates about topics he doesn't know much about.

If he had continued defending his teammates, you could assume he's perfectly fine with what they're doing in Guelph. Since he stop defending them, it appears he isn't comfortable with some of the crap going on.

Hopefully by the end of the end, he'll be out in Vancouver training with that group.

Vancouver group is a one-way ticket to injury-ville!

Any updates on this, did the top Canadian coach state who he thinks are drug cheats?

Save yourself wrote:

J-Rae hasn't been with the river for too long - he should get out before Moulton and DST fully corrupt him.

This thread is getting silly Moulton and DST aren't that bad. They've had lots of good runners in their program and they do things in the community and it's not fair for you guys to point out they had some advantages from athletics canada or AO.

I think other athletes are just jealous because they train hard but find out training hard isn't enough and not every coach is wiling to push the rules to help their athletes. Well go and cry about it but Speed river is willing to do everything they can for their athletes. People can file their appeals and if speed river gets caught then applause for you, that's why they have appeals. In the meantime they have every right to try anything Moulton and DST think can help their athletes.

So don't go whining about rules and playing fair. People say oh you can't give the championship meets to guelph because other clubs had better bids, well who cares about who has the best bid thats so stupid. I feel like I'm banging a wall with my head reading these kinds of threads over and over. Go race in London fine we'll go to better meets because we're faster. If you want to be the best then try harder and be more like Guelph. But you can't so go blog and wonder what it's like to have athletes make national teams. And don't post things that Reid says that's not fair, it's his money and he's not the kind of guy that cheats. So much hate.

Posts like this do not help our case. If you've never run for Speed River, please do not speak on our behalf.

I have chosen not to further participate in the discussion because, as I said in my first post, I came here solely to defend our club against some non-QFG related remarks. Regardless of what I say or think about the QFG situation, it won't change the outcome of that issue.

I DO think funding should go towards our country's best athletes. If athletes like Natasha Wodak are having seasons like she had, and yet fail to meet the criteria (or earn as many points as other athletes less likely to make Rio than her), then I think that means the system has failed its objective at supporting our best athletes, and the criteria should be amended.

Jeremy Rae wrote:

Posts like this do not help our case. If you've never run for Speed River, please do not speak on our behalf.

I have chosen not to further participate in the discussion because, as I said in my first post, I came here solely to defend our club against some non-QFG related remarks. Regardless of what I say or think about the QFG situation, it won't change the outcome of that issue.

I DO think funding should go towards our country's best athletes. If athletes like Natasha Wodak are having seasons like she had, and yet fail to meet the criteria (or earn as many points as other athletes less likely to make Rio than her), then I think that means the system has failed its objective at supporting our best athletes, and the criteria should be amended.

Well I did run for Speed River and it's dumb these guys keep bringing up these issues. I'm with you, Jeremy, let's not post about QFG anymore. Posting things doesn't change things, so let's not talk about it the fastest athletes got nominated end of story.

The point is the best athletes should get the money. But I don't agree that the criteria should be amended. The committees work fine as it is I don't think it's fair if someone changes the criteria because their jealous of Guelph athletes getting carded. If the Ontario carding criteria was wrong Moulton would have changed it but it's fine so he didn't have to.

Do you run for River or go to Guelph?

At UG do they teach:

They're, there and their in the first year or does that happen in grad School?