BREAKING: G. Dibaba before 2015 Worlds 4x1500 in 4:06, 4:05, 4:03, and 4:02!!!!!!

Pikachu wrote:

Ok. Doing the math for you:

It's roughly the same as Kiprop doing 3:42, 3:41, 3:39 and 3:38 for 1500s or like 4 x mile in roughly 3:59, 3:58, 3:56, 3:55.

Pikachu

Yep. I think anyone who is a 3:26 1500m runner is going to have a pretty skewed perspective on the hardness of that workout.

A better way to think of it would be to take your own PRs and apply the same percentages. The only caveat there is that it is likely that all of us mortals still have some room for improvement. So if we say "that's workout's too hard" then it just means we aren't fit enough. Maybe in 6 months the same workout would not be all that hard at all. For Dibaba, Kiprop, et al, they have reached not only their own personal limits, but seemingly the limits of total human potential in the event. So their ability to do workouts close to their max is going to be much greater than your own.

sad times wrote:

"When Makhloufi won the Olympics [1500m in 2012], people were like: ‘whoa’. I also coached Driouch to [win gold over 1500m at the 2012 World Juniors, who left me, and then he had a problem with doping, and people associate me with that.

[Note: Hamza Driouch was banned in February 2015 for irregularities in his biological passport dating back to the summer of 2012, with his results from August 2, 2012 (a time he was coached by Aden) onwards annulled.]"

-thanks for that, milesmiles. the twitter link on athletics weekly didn't have that portion. so, basically, aden is somewhat insinuating that makhloufi was doping by not disagreeing with the general consensus. in addition, driouch's passport irregularities overlaps his time with aden. like I said, sad times we're living in.

If you think this is bad, you should have seen the 80s.

swaggyp wrote:

Shes an absolute smokeshow.

Has anyone heard of this expression before?

Math challenged much?206/230= 0.90 x 242 = 316 = 3:363:39, 3:38, 3:37, 3:36.Any man performing this session, including El G, Lagat or Kiprop, and it would get out as the greatest track session of all time.

Pikachu wrote:

Ok. Doing the math for you:

It's roughly the same as Kiprop doing 3:42, 3:41, 3:39 and 3:38 for 1500s or like 4 x mile in roughly 3:59, 3:58, 3:56, 3:55.

Pikachu

For me, I cannot imagine Dibaba doing this workout. Either it didn't happen, or her ability over 1500m is closer to 3:42.

Personally, I could not do this and have broken 3:50.

I find this session and the 6x800m session more suspicious than her 3:50 WR.

Pangolin wrote:

Math challenged much?

206/230= 0.90 x 242 = 316 = 3:36

3:39, 3:38, 3:37, 3:36.

Any man performing this session, including El G, Lagat or Kiprop, and it would get out as the greatest track session of all time.

Pikachu wrote:

Ok. Doing the math for you:

It's roughly the same as Kiprop doing 3:42, 3:41, 3:39 and 3:38 for 1500s or like 4 x mile in roughly 3:59, 3:58, 3:56, 3:55.

Pikachu

Yours definitely makes even more sense than mine sense, but no need to insult me because I choose a different way (and it's just a ball park anyway as you can't compare a 3:26 man and a 3:50 women exactly). I just said: 16 seconds above her PR and dropping. For the mile I took 1.08 standard conversion. Sorry I didn't think more of it and calculated as exactly as you did, big math professor :D.

Pikachu

This is really not that crazy when you think about it.

Four minutes is a lot of rest for 1500s at 3k-5k pace.

why so excited wrote:

This is really not that crazy when you think about it.

Four minutes is a lot of rest for 1500s at 3k-5k pace.

I thought about it.

Doing 4x1500 at 3k pace is an insane workout on 4min rest. It would probably put her in closer to 7:50 3k shape if the goal was to run 4x1500 at 4:03 avg.

Doing 4x1500 at 5k puts her in 13:30 shape.

This is a female runner we are talking about doing a workout that is in line with those of the Chineese athletes who ran times while extremely doped.

It's the combo of running the times and being in a territory nobody has ever come close to while clean. If this was a 3:45/7:50 male runner nobody would care.. It's a female runner doing something that has never been seen before while supposedly being clean. With doping would she run 3:40, 7:45, and 13:20's?

"swaggyp wrote:

Shes an absolute smokeshow. Has anyone heard of this expression before?"

-yes. "Smoke show" was an expression used incessantly from about 2009-2013. It's use lives on in populations of men:

1) not realizing that people haven't used that term for years

2) that wear lots of true religion jeans and any other types of tshirts with sparkles on them

3) that like to comment on women, but commonly turn to the Internet for either meeting girls and/or developing a porn habit. Rarely do they have an actual relationship with women

4) that like to portray a falsely "cool" attitude

A lot of training materials including many training programs and logs for the best athletes in the world

http://tinyurl.com/mkvfuyf

Possible, but unlikely by a clean female athlete.

We all know them wrote:

"swaggyp wrote:

Shes an absolute smokeshow. Has anyone heard of this expression before?"

-yes. "Smoke show" was an expression used incessantly from about 2009-2013. It's use lives on in populations of men:

1) not realizing that people haven't used that term for years

2) that wear lots of true religion jeans and any other types of tshirts with sparkles on them

3) that like to comment on women, but commonly turn to the Internet for either meeting girls and/or developing a porn habit. Rarely do they have an actual relationship with women

4) that like to portray a falsely "cool" attitude

First of all, learn how to use the quote thing on here correctly.

Second, no youre wrong. And probably old. Wtf are true religion jeans? And I dont think shirts with sparkles have ever been worn by guys....

Third, I turn to the internet for porn very often. Usually each night to rub one out. This is not because I cant get girls, I have an attractive girlfriend currently. But theres just something uniquely awesome about putting on a nice porn clip for 60-90 seconds and then passing out

Seb Coen wrote:

G. Dibaba did what would be the equivalent of a guy doing 4xmi at 3:52, 3:51, 3:50, and 3:49 for the Mi. How is this humanly possible? They looked up what it took to win World's previously and had her do 1500 repeats at that pace.

Again, how is this posisble?

Makes me wonder what that Ayana girl is doing?

No, I'm 22. So, not old; but also not young. It caught me as funny how you are bothered by something simple like quotation marks when you don't use apostrophes, create fragmented phrases, and begin sentences with a conjunction. Anyway, the reason for bothering with a reply was to verify what we already knew. You're not fooling anyone, Swaggy. Methinks thou doth protest too much. Let it go, and stop using outdated words and/or phrases.

Incidentally, "swaggy" falls into the same category.

Agreed on the 3:42. I ran a similar workout (5x800 w/ 4 min rest in 2:02, 2:01, 2:00, 2:00, 1:57). I ran 3:40 a couple weeks later.If she's training with 3:40/3:42 runners like Aden says, she's going stride for stride with them.

Metric Miler wrote:

For me, I cannot imagine Dibaba doing this workout. Either it didn't happen, or her ability over 1500m is closer to 3:42.

Personally, I could not do this and have broken 3:50.

I find this session and the 6x800m session more suspicious than her 3:50 WR.

I ran 348 1500m when I was in 29:05 10k shape and I could not have dome any of those workouts Jama just listed. I mean I had some great fast workouts,,like 3 x 1mile @ 428 with 400 meter rest or starting a workout off in the 412-419 and and then doing some faster stuff after that but based on those workouts she should be looing to run more like 3:42 not 349

Just to help put Dibaba's times into comprehension:

My PBs:

800: 1:50

1500: 3:48

5000: 14:12

10000: 29:52

So, pretty on par with Dibaba.

When I was in 1500 PR form I've looked back in my diary to see this session (done on pretty fresh legs):

5x800, 400 jog in around 2 mins recovery

2:12, 2:14, 2:12, 2:08, 2:14

I've never been the best trainer compared to my race times, but Dibaba couldn't touch me over 800 and my endurance is comparable to hers over 1500/5000 and I imagine a similar 10000 if she gave it a go. So I have no idea how she hit those times in her 6x800s. The more I think about it the more ridiculous it is. If it's true she must have been 1:50, 3:45 shape.

With the pacing (slow second lap) and having to lead the last 700, Dibaba's 3:50 was worth about 3:47 in a smoothly paced race against a field of similar men, so that is the reference point for me. These workouts are on another level as far as I'm concerned; she could be capable of sub-4:00 for the mile against men if they didn't test her leading up to the meet and she and her physician knew this.