Unreal. Kim Collins, who turns 40 in April, ran 6.53 for 60m over the weekend

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IGF-1 LR3??

douglas burke wrote:

https://twitter.com/iTweetSports473/status/640903721719738368

Obviously doped, clear as day. He's a nice guy, so is lagat and a lot of others, but clearly using. Very apparent

Hey, say, I can't see too good - is that the male Regina Jacobs over there?

I found a video of the meet on youtube.

It's pretty cool to see a 60m race outdoors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBnNGG6y4Vo

nice guy tho wrote:

douglas burke wrote:https://twitter.com/iTweetSports473/status/640903721719738368

Obviously doped, clear as day. He's a nice guy, so is lagat and a lot of others, but clearly using. Very apparent

How is it obvious he doped?

To me, he's a likely non-doper based on his PR. He won a worlds gold medal in 2001 in 9.99. His PB is 9.98. The only thing that seems weird to me is his pb at age 38.

But what other makes you think he's an 'obvious' doper? If you say the PR at age 38, then why wouldn't he have doped at 25 in 2001 when it was WAY easier to dope and run 9.80?

rojo wrote:

Obviously doped, clear as day. He's a nice guy, so is lagat and a lot of others, but clearly using. Very apparent

How is it obvious he doped?

To me, he's a likely non-doper based on his PR. He won a worlds gold medal in 2001 in 9.99. His PB is 9.98. The only thing that seems weird to me is his pb at age 38.

But what other makes you think he's an 'obvious' doper? If you say the PR at age 38, then why wouldn't he have doped at 25 in 2001 when it was WAY easier to dope and run 9.80?[/quote]

Let's get one thing straight, I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I think he's a great guy and all his competitors feel similarly. Truth is, he played the game the way it was supposed to played, and like most older guys found himself in a critical spot in his mid to late 30s: dope to fight mother nature, or rapidly decelerate. Come on Rojo, you know fast twitch muscles are the first thing to go. A pb at 38?? Come on Rojo, he's Gatlin without the positives

[/quote]... Come on Rojo, you know fast twitch muscles are the first thing to go. ...[quote]

That is perhaps the most misinformed and incorrect statement ever posted on this site. Total nonsense. Your fast twitch and other fibers never "go", they are with you until the day you die. What kills sprinters when they start to age are the tendons, especially the achilles tendons. Sprinters who keep their tendons in good shape run fast well into their 40s and even 50s. Look at the 100m age group records. Don't tell us they are all dopers because many of them are clean.

Kim Collins has kept himself in good shape and knows how to train. His 100m times have been gradually getting slower which is certainly not the profile of a doper.

Wrong, chuckie wrote:

His 100m times have been gradually getting slower which is certainly not the profile of a doper.

He set a PB at 38!

Current M40 WR:

M 40

6.78

Troy Douglas

NED

40

25/01/03

Zuidbroek, NED

He ran 6.47 once and 6.48 twice indoors last year! For comparison, there have been barely any faster times in the past ten years. Most of the best times in the event (wr 6.39i mo greene) were run in the late 90s and early '00s.

As for outdoor 60s, tilastopaja lists his 6.48 as the best.

That was exactly Regina Jacobs' profile, at least in the 1500m, many, many years at right about the exact same time, which fooled me. I have no idea about Collins, but I do think that age is less significant than training and health, and you can learn things over time that help you stay healthy.

Wrong, chuckie wrote:

Sprinters who keep their tendons in good shape run fast well into their 40s and even 50s. Look at the 100m age group records.

Guido Müller the fast old man ran a sub 60 400m when he was 70, which is probably faster than a lot of the Kim-Collins-doper-sayers can do right now. His 62 at age 75 is probably faster too.

Shorter (in height) sprinters tend to do better over 60m. They get out of the blocks fast and tend to be quicker (higher turnover) than the taller sprinters. Kim Collins gets out well in his 100m races but gets distanced by the taller sprinters as the race progresses.

nice guy tho wrote:

douglas burke wrote:https://twitter.com/iTweetSports473/status/640903721719738368

Obviously doped, clear as day. He's a nice guy, so is lagat and a lot of others, but clearly using. Very apparent

Why do you say that?

KC has always been a good starter and good at the 60, he ran 6.47 last year. KC didn't just start running fast at age 39, he has been a world class sprinter for nearly 2 decades. I think you can run well into your late 30s if you can manage to stay healthy and game. (That's the key.) Btw, 6.53 is basically like a (10.05) 100m, fast but not necessarily suspicious.

nice guy tho wrote:

rojo wrote:

Obviously doped, clear as day. He's a nice guy, so is lagat and a lot of others, but clearly using. Very apparent

How is it obvious he doped?

To me, he's a likely non-doper based on his PR. He won a worlds gold medal in 2001 in 9.99. His PB is 9.98. The only thing that seems weird to me is his pb at age 38.

But what other makes you think he's an 'obvious' doper? If you say the PR at age 38, then why wouldn't he have doped at 25 in 2001 when it was WAY easier to dope and run 9.80?

Let's get one thing straight, I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I think he's a great guy and all his competitors feel similarly. Truth is, he played the game the way it was supposed to played, and like most older guys found himself in a critical spot in his mid to late 30s: dope to fight mother nature, or rapidly decelerate. Come on Rojo, you know fast twitch muscles are the first thing to go. A pb at 38?? Come on Rojo, he's Gatlin without the positives[/quote]

So you are saying he doped late in his career to stay relevant but not earlier in his career when he could have won a ton of money and run like 9.7?

TrackCoach wrote:

nice guy tho wrote:

Obviously doped, clear as day. He's a nice guy, so is lagat and a lot of others, but clearly using. Very apparent

Why do you say that?

KC has always been a good starter and good at the 60, he ran 6.47 last year. KC didn't just start running fast at age 39, he has been a world class sprinter for nearly 2 decades. I think you can run well into your late 30s if you can manage to stay healthy and game. (That's the key.) Btw, 6.53 is basically like a (10.05) 100m, fast but not necessarily suspicious.

The 60m was run outdoors with officially +2.0, which adjusts to 6.60. He started fast early last year with 6.47, which raised some questions in Europe, and Kim responded that they are targeting indoors now. He had chopped his stride previously to increase turnover, but changed his style with arm motion and did MORE starts and speed work than he did in earlier years.

Also, in earlier years Kim did not lift weights (or much at least). He has been lifting more recently with his wife, who is also his coach. Weights don't work as well for sprints as many think--there's one reference I can cite that showed people gaining 2% in 50m time from a 21% gain in squats-- when you just start with weights building up general strength, you get a boost, but you largely cannot keep improving in sprint time. And what you get from weights is only really in the first 10-20m of a sprint. If you look at Kim's results over the last 3-6 years, you will see a gain of about .03 in both 60m and 100m. This would appear to have come from adding weights.

what b.s and total excuses.

your tendons are first to go!

or he is using dumbells now wit wife.

so beyond obvious doped

was doped in 2001 too

for his stride length ,etc, all at max. never run much better than has.

never getin near 9.7