Louisiana Marathon cheating 'winner' DQ'd

The womens winner of the Jacksonville marathon had someone hand her a bag of food during the race. But from others posting, this seems like a pretty common occurence that most races dont care about. But I am pretty sure she wasnt warned multiple times like the lady in louisiana.

Anybody remember the marathon from a couple of years ago when the female winner was DQ'd because somebody handed her a water bottle on the course, and then the 2nd place finisher was DQ'd because she crossed the finish line while wearing headphones, so they declared the 3rd place finisher the winner?

There was a marathon winner last year who didn't even run the entire course, got a ride from a police officer farther up the course from where she ran off course, and was given the win.

This should not have resulted in a DQ. Bush league move..

Her husband rode his bike along side of her and gave her liquids and nutrition bars, etc. They were both warned during the race, while he (her husband) was doing this. They both kept doing it. And, there you have it

lemon jeffereson wrote:

There was a marathon winner last year who didn't even run the entire course, got a ride from a police officer farther up the course from where she ran off course, and was given the win.

This should not have resulted in a DQ. Bush league move..

Some guy drove 40 miles per hour over the speed limit on a highway and didn't get a speeding ticket.

Another guy was only driving 30 miles per hour over the speed limit on a highway in a different state and got a speeding ticket.

This should not have resulted in a fine. Bush League move...

It's amazing how dumb people are on these boards.

All about choices..... wrote:

If this race wants to host the Olympic trials, they should probably try to help the faster runners accomplish their goals than make it more difcicult and then dq them...

The Louisiana Marathon has never bid to host the Olympic Trials, and at 1100-1500 finishers the last few years and in January this isn't the kind of race that USATF would be looking for to host the Trials.

For top runners, the "no outside assistance" rules are well known. The marathon I work for, we cover them in advance with our top entrants at the technical meeting the day before. We know it's likely we'll have some top finishers who aren't at that meeting, so we also cover "race rules" on our website and other places we expect our entrants to be reviewing. Ms. West really should have known better, it's not like this is an obscure rule buried somewhere in the book. To me, it doesn't minimize the good race she ran, but when you get called out for an infraction you have to deal with the consequences.

Some guy drove 40 miles per hour over the speed limit on a highway and didn't get a speeding ticket.

Another guy was only driving 30 miles per hour over the speed limit on a highway in a different state and got a speeding ticket.

This should not have resulted in a fine. Bush League move...

It's amazing how dumb people are on these boards.

falty logic wrote:

It's amazing how dumb people are on these boards.

Yep and you're one of them, a dumb idiot.

Dx2, your credibility on issues of race disqualification is greatly diminished by your past unwillingness to DQ Kip Litton in your very own Vermont race. This has been mentioned in other cheating threads. The evidence was overwhelming, and he wouldnt have done anything had you done the right thing. As a result his official "pr" of 2:49 is at your race. Did you really think he ran a 2:49? And no, it was not plausible by any stretch of the imagination.

Kosmo Kramer gave outside assistance to an elite runner at the NYC marathon, hot coffee

d2xccoach wrote:

All about choices..... wrote:

If this race wants to host the Olympic trials, they should probably try to help the faster runners accomplish their goals than make it more difcicult and then dq them...

The Louisiana Marathon has never bid to host the Olympic Trials, and at 1100-1500 finishers the last few years and in January this isn't the kind of race that USATF would be looking for to host the Trials.

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"the Louisiana Marathon’s burgeoning reputation as a fast, flat course with ideal weather conditions has founders Danny Bourgeois, Craig Sweeney and Patrick Fellows thinking of Baton Rouge as a host site for the 2020 or 2024 trials.

Bourgeois will travel to Los Angeles for the trials both for a race directors conference and to study how the city and race function to better prepare a plan.

“If the courses match up with where the Olympics are occurring and the way they set their course up, we could have a perfect environment for an Olympic event,” Bourgeois said. “We’re in a good spot to house that. It doesn’t have to be in a top-tier city like New York or LA every year. "

otter wrote:

Honestly, I thought the rule she broke was common knowledge.

Not common to me, at least.

I've never run a marathon, but will be running my first at the end of 2016.

So it's true that I am not as familiar with marathon rules as experienced competitors.

But I would never think to investigate whether her action was legal or not. Why? Well, because it's counter-intuitive. You can bring your own outside assistance (your own fuel) if you carry it with you, but you can't have it handed to you? How does that stop drug-cheating?

I also don't buy the disruption argument. Would it have been different if he had stood along the sidelines / fence / tape and handed fuel to her as if he were a spectator? That certainly wouldn't have caused disruption the way that a cyclist would, and yet some posters are still saying that it's commonly known to be illegal. So I'm back to assuming that the only reason for making it illegal is to prevent drug-cheating, but drug-cheating-prevention is foiled by allowing one to carry their own stuff. So it's just a stupid, counter-intuitive rule, to me.

I also challenge the assertion that she was warned. (1.) The article was changed. (2.) It's easy to write that she was warned, or for the article's author to be told by the race director that she was warned, but did anyone actually witness it? If she was the leading female runner, was it visible in the race video?

USATF Rule 241.2

(f) An athlete may at any time carry water or refreshment by hand or attached to his body provided it was carried from the start or collected or received at an official station.

(g) A competitor who collects refreshment from a place other than a refreshment station is liable to disqualification by the Referee.

IAAF Rule 240.8

(h) An athlete who receives or collects refreshment or water from a

place other than the official stations, except where provided for

medical reasons from or under the direction of race officials, or

takes the refreshment of another athlete, should, for a first such

offence, be warned by the Referee normally by showing a

yellow card. For a second offence, the Referee shall disqualify

the athlete, normally by showing a red card. the athlete shall

then immediately leave the course.

If was such a bad offense then why wasn't she immediately disqualified and told to leave the course? Why wait until AFTER the race to DQ her?

Something is not right with this decision.

Last year I was at the finish line of the Brighton Marathon in England. They do that pointless thing of having half a dozen elite Kenyans, then a massive gap to the rest of the mass field.

They had a camera bike in front of the lead runner with live pictures on a big screen at the finish. For the last 10k there was a cyclist alongside passing him regular drinks. No one seemed to notice/care/say anything and he duly won picking up a few k in £££s.

This is an IAAF bronze level marathon. Runners behind should have complained & moved up in prize money. Suppose nobody ever told them

Any update on this woman? Is she still with Nike?

Pretty tough that the rd warns against pacing too. I'd have a hard time getting behind a dq resulting from someone running with another runner.

The bicycle support dq I'm on board with.

If was such a bad offense then why wasn't she immediately disqualified and told to leave the course? Why wait until AFTER the race to DQ her?

This argument is totally flawed.

It is called due diligence.

In 1988, Big Ben won gold. He didn't get disqualified until the next day. If it was such a bad offense, why wasn't he immediately disqualified?

Steve Chrisman wrote:

Dx2, your credibility on issues of race disqualification is greatly diminished by your past unwillingness to DQ Kip Litton in your very own Vermont race. This has been mentioned in other cheating threads. The evidence was overwhelming, and he wouldnt have done anything had you done the right thing. As a result his official "pr" of 2:49 is at your race. Did you really think he ran a 2:49? And no, it was not plausible by any stretch of the imagination.

Yep. Your credibility died with Kip Litton's non-DQ in the face of all the evidence.