Ryan Hall succumbs to "chronic low testosterone"

halfast wrote:

How about Woody Woodpecker?

Before my time.

Hall was quoted in that Runner's World article saying his testosterone levels are no lower than when he ran 59 minutes in the half. I have no doubt his chronic fatigue is a physical problem, but I don't see how Hall comes to the conclusion that his low testosterone is the culprit when he was running American records at those same levels.

Perhaps he can identify as a female and still make the Olympic team and win a gold medal.

Combined with the God-coaching thing, sounds like he's not much of a thinker.

Retire, go to a doctor, get your testosterone level back up without being tested, make your come back. Win gold in 2020.

Greg Hill wrote:

Retire, go to a doctor, get your testosterone level back up without being tested, make your come back. Win gold in 2020.

No need. The positive threshold for T is a 4:1 T:E ratio. Human males run near 1:1 with a small bump as a teenager. There is plenty of room for him to do exongenous T and never test positive.

If he wanted to do it by the book, he'd get a TUE. If he's clean, it would be no problem.

Why isn't Dr. Brown helping a bro out?

There has been several guys who tested positive with a CIR while still having their ratio under 4:1. Urine samples are sometimes tested using a CIR, regardless of the test:epitest ratio. It's just that once the ratio is exceeded, then they will definitely be given a CIR.

And can you name ONE person who has been approved for a TUE by USADA/WADA? Not the boxing commissions, but an actual, respected body.

From an article: a USADA representative confirmed CIR’s independent use, saying, “Not speaking to any athlete specifically, I can tell you that CIR is regularly used and is not used only as a follow-up to T/E ratio.”

Sorry bro, take off that aluminum hat.

To get a TUE for testosterone you have to prove the deficiency is "Organically" based, not "functionally" based. This is why TUEs for testosterone are extremely rare. I suspect Hall wouldn't qualify.

Organic primary androgen deficiency may be due to:

1. Genetic abnormalities – Klinefelter’s Syndrome and variants (i.e. 47,XYY/46XY, 46,XX testicular DSD, 45,X/46,XY), dysgenetic testes, myotonic dystrophy

2. Developmental abnormalities – cryptorchidism, congenital anorchia

3. Metabolic abnormalities – hemochromatosis (usually consistent with secondary hypogonadism)

4. Direct testicular trauma, surgical bilateral orchiectomy, testicular torsion

5. Orchitis – severe bilateral with subsequent testicular atrophy due to mumps or other infections.

6. Radiation treatment or chemotherapy.

Organic secondary androgen deficiency may be due to:

1. Genetic abnormalities – Isolated hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (IHH) and variants.

2. Pituitary disorders – hypopituitarism, tumor, infection, hemochromatosis,

hyperprolactinemia due to prolactin-secreting pituitary tumor.

3. Structural and infiltrative effects of systemic diseases – CNS developmental abnormalities, infection, β-thalassemia/hemoglobinopathies, granulomatous diseases, lymphocytic hypophysitis hemochromatosis, sickle cell disease.

4. Anatomical problems - pituitary stalk section, hypophysectomy, pituitary-hypothalamic disease, traumatic brain injury.

Functional androgen deficiency may be due to:

1. Severe emotional stress.

2. Morbid Obesity, untreated obstructive sleep apnea.

3. Overtraining, malnutrition/nutritional deficiency, eating disorders.

4. Medication – opioids, androgens, selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs), glucocorticoids, progestins, estrogens, medication-induced Hyperprolactinemia.

5. Chronic systemic illness (chronic organ failure, diabetes mellitus, malignancy, rheumatic disease, HIV infection, Crohn’s disease, inherited metabolic storage diseases).

6. Constitutional delayed puberty.**

7. Aging/Late onset hypogonadism (LOH).

8. Alcohol excess.

Pop Popped Brain Cells wrote:

There has been several guys who tested positive with a CIR while still having their ratio under 4:1

Let me guess, not Ryan Hall or a peer of Ryan Hall. Am I right?

My favorite thing about the TUE for T form from USADA is the request for complete history of corticosteroid and opiate use. Maybe Dr. Brown can fill that in for him?

The problem with asking for evidence of TUE's issued is TUE's are privileged medical information. So, try again Captain.

What he probably needs, is no running, heavy weights, lots of ***, lots of lean meat, omega-3 fats, and minerals like zinc/iron, and some natural herbal supplements that raise testosterone.

No kidding. Dudes a wackaloon.

dsfghj wrote:

Combined with the God-coaching thing, sounds like he's not much of a thinker.

How can he be married to Sare Bei and have low T?