coach d wrote:
At a time when there are 4 million listed positions in computer science, MIS, and software engineering and every parent wants their kids to grow up to be STEM majors, while liberal arts degrees are listed on the 10 worst college majors and law schools are closing because nobody wants to be a lawyer....
Does anybody actually care about intellectuals, you know, people who can't produce anything?
Why can't STEM majors be intellectuals?
coach d wrote:
At a time when there are 4 million listed positions in computer science, MIS, and software engineering and every parent wants their kids to grow up to be STEM majors, while liberal arts degrees are listed on the 10 worst college majors and law schools are closing because nobody wants to be a lawyer....
Does anybody actually care about intellectuals, you know, people who can't produce anything?
Intellectuals produce far more than STEM majors. Intellectuals gave us the epistemology that science is based on and the political system that allows engineers to produce, own, and trade tangible products. The reason there are no engineers in primitive societies is because their intellectuals are witch doctors and shamans.
lloyd wrote:
You do understand that logic is the basis for nearly all STEM courses? There is nothing more amusing to me than liberal arts folks (and other non-quantitative-types) acting like they are "analytical". Completely delusional.
Many STEM/non-philosophy folk that took the symbolic logic class at my liberal arts school failed spectacularly. I'm sure the STEM people at Big State University would do even worse. That seems to roughly correlate with the proportion of people who are unable to form a coherent argument.
If Trump qualifies, so does Daffy.
True intellectual wrote:
Donald Trump
FitzyXC wrote:
Many STEM/non-philosophy folk that took the symbolic logic class at my liberal arts school failed spectacularly. I'm sure the STEM people at Big State University would do even worse. That seems to roughly correlate with the proportion of people who are unable to form a coherent argument.
Interesting. Hey, in what year do they teach you liberal arts guys how to ask the drive through customers if they want fries? Or do you just learn that on the job when MacDonalds hires you after you've graduated with your liberal arts degree?
Dyson the physicist?
FitzyXC
That seems to roughly correlate with the proportion of people who are unable to form a coherent argument.
Fries with that wrote:
Interesting. Hey, in what year do they teach you liberal arts guys how to ask the drive through customers if they want fries? Or do you just learn that on the job when MacDonalds hires you after you've graduated with your liberal arts degree?
Yep. Clearly I was mistaken to expect an intellectual response instead of "DURRRRRRR LIBERAL ARTS HAHAHAAHA LIBTARD CAN'T GET A REAL JOB HAHA!"
Maarten Boudry
FitzyXC wrote:
FitzyXCThat seems to roughly correlate with the proportion of people who are unable to form a coherent argument.
Fries with that wrote:
Interesting. Hey, in what year do they teach you liberal arts guys how to ask the drive through customers if they want fries? Or do you just learn that on the job when MacDonalds hires you after you've graduated with your liberal arts degree?
Yep. Clearly I was mistaken to expect an intellectual response instead of "DURRRRRRR LIBERAL ARTS HAHAHAAHA LIBTARD CAN'T GET A REAL JOB HAHA!"
I have a liberal arts degree, and I thought it was funny. I also find your logical fallacies to be funny, too. You should have more confidence in yourself, your insecurities are glaring and sad.
Non_phony_runner_spirit wrote:
48 Laws wrote:Here's a list of some of my favorites who come to my mind:
Noam Chompsky
Christopher Hitchens
Sam Harris
Oliver Sacks
Steven Pinker
Thomas Sowell
E.O. Wilson
Robert Greene
Malcolm Gladwell
....
Who are some of yours?
Wilson, Chomsky are good
Gladwell is totally overrated and there are people who have expressed what he bungles, much better. Most of it is about the audience. Like kanye west, he is not that bad considered by himself, but his fans are do***es, one middle class greedy and violent, the other middle class intellectual poseur. Both types of stupid fans equally serious with negative effects on humankind.
Pinker and Oliver sacks are OK, but same problem here. This is pop middle class cookie cutter taste. Everyone on Facebook having the same shared loser corporate tastes, and the same stupid books they were exposed to at cocktail parties or social sciences at their schools. Oh! But I was a n athlete with a great GPA! Oh I went to grad school and am a professional! But likely you fall into the majority, which is a middle class utterly ignorant and denying of their part in the evils of academia, law school and law, medical school and big pharma, agrochemical and so on.
Translation: Waaaah! I'm so superior and original but nobody else recognizes it. They are all evil. If they would just listen to me, I could save the world. Seriously dude, get some therapy. You sound like the unabomber.
Dyson's wife has run the Boston Marathon a number of times. He usually goes and watches.
HRE wrote:
Freeman Dyson and Gregory Bateson.
Mohammad Javad Zarif
lloyd wrote:
You do understand that logic is the basis for nearly all STEM courses?
Of course.
It does not follow however that because logic is a basis for STEM courses that therefore, one has taken a course in logic. Nor does it follow that because one studied a STEM subject, one is adept at employing sound reasoning.
lloyd wrote:
There is nothing more amusing to me than liberal arts folks (and other non-quantitative-types) acting like they are "analytical". Completely delusional.
I don't doubt you find that amusing. Many (though certainly not all) STEM folks, like coach d above, and maybe you, have an inflated sense of worth merely for having studied a STEM subject, and are unjustly dismissive of claims made by those who did not.
If you have a sound argument as to why the claim "the utility of something is not dependent on the number of people that value that thing" is mistaken, or why the claim "it does not follow that because one studied a STEM subject, one is therefore adept at employing sound reasoning" is mistaken, I'd like to hear it. I don't want to be wrong about something any longer than I need to be.
Matt Talibi
Neil Tyson Degrasse
Stephen Hawking
Edward Snowden
David Attenborough
Bill Kelso
David McCullough
Ken Burns
Doris Kearns Goodwin
Larry Sabato
George F. Will
Patrick J. Buchanan
Though not modern day but perhaps modern era, I would include:
Thomas Merton (1915-1968)
GK Chesterton (1874-1936)
Jon Foreman
Dr. Steve Brule
Bennet Omalu
Tavis Smiley
Michi Kaku
Robert Reich
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
2017 World 800 champ Pierre-Ambroise Bosse banned 1 year for whereabouts failures